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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night night now your electrifying hosts

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of exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley

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does anybody here well I'm sitting here

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with my Victorian the teacup having a

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having some tea and I see a courtesy

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from Miss Havisham in fact well there's

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a I see here I'm almost finished a

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drinking here but I see there's a

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message at the bottom of the cup really

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what does it say it says you are

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fantastic a real stud muffin yeah well

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here wait a minute here let me I need to

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drink my tea down a bit see if I've got

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order all right here you go

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mine says you'll never amount to much oh

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my goodness well you know I'm sure the

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the teacups never lie but I'm sure

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things will be work out you know for you

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as we go along especially this evening

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because we've got two wonderful and

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somewhat bizarre

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I guess I I do believe because our show

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is exploring the bizarre and we are too

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bizarre hosts to say the least and our

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subjects are often bizarre that's right

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that's right well and I think that

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before we announce our guests we we

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should actually give a shout out for our

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friend Brad Steiger

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yeah indeed bread has been very ill the

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last couple of months and he is in a

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hospice and unable to communicate with

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anyone I understand I've been in touch

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with the sherry stager and she has asked

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for our prayers which of course we would

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give anyway brad has been a well to me I

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call him brother Brad and he calls me

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brother Tim he is just such a great

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wonderful humble person who has bought

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much enlightenment and entertainment to

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the world of the the turn normal I don't

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think that there could possibly be a

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person living or some that are not

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living perhaps who does not have at

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least one or more Brad stager books in

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their library my goodness Tim he's

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written well over 200 on a multitude of

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subjects you know and I first met Brad

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in 1967 and we've hooked up but many

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many times and since then when he was

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living in the Phoenix area and a couple

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of years ago we even sang Christmas

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carols together there in Iowa on the on

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the lake in fact you could presume like

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Diane Testament and sherry were there

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and we sang Christmas Carol

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and it's actually on a YouTube somewhere

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I guess typing the bread stagnant

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Christmas carols and you can hear us

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saying well at attune our writing is

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much better than our singing but that's

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that's what it is and we do wear which

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miraculous recovery and God bless you

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sherry and we hope we hope for the best

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yeah yeah well and you know if anybody

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wants to send their their wishes to Brad

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them to your Facebook page I'm under

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between my page and the coast-to-coast

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page we've had over you know 600 whether

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they call in comments or people put in

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faces and different things which don't

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500 smiling faces but that's not really

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what people mean they suspect you know

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are thinking about him absolutely

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everything onto to Sheree so bread we

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send you the best we only the best for

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you man only the best

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so Tim on with the the show the show

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must go on

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show so why don't you kick it in gear

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and tell our listeners what they have in

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store oh definitely well and I think

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that the the post that I made earlier

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about this show with the with the

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headline you know fits

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fits tonight's programme really well

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that is I tried to be good but I got

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bored so that's that's that's the way

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that we're going to approach tonight's

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show and we have with us tonight Melissa

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Johnson and Sheila Parker now Melissa

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to be the goth Martha Stewart she's

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descended from antique dealers grew up

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even born at a garage sale Johnson

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in a love of antiques horror movies

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our private business which she hopes is

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a running with scissors but with you

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know of Arabs in Ohio so now melissa is

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a horror movie fanatic a junk scavenger

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and a lover of all things weird creepy

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and haunted so she should fit in very

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well with us here on exploring the

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bazaar well mister mister Creepo loves

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her already I knew I never don't don't

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forget our our our horror movies in fact

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one of them is finally up on Amazon but

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none on prime because it's too risque so

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you have to see have to pay 99 cents to

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to watch it it's a sandy hook a lingerie

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party Massacre starring Debbie Rochon

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you have to do a little searching to

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find it because Amazon's not making it

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prime because it's too risque heaven

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heaven forbid there might be a vampire

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- what's topless oh my gosh all right so

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Parker now Sheila is a writer artist and

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empath and she is an expert on all

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things paranormal Sheila's blog and

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popular speaking engagements delve

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deeply into the power of the mind and

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spirit Sheila is followed by thousands

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of people eager to hear her words about

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the mostly undiscovered world of spirits

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acclaimed poet and the author of the

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novel the spirit within an intoxicating

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story of betrayed love with a unique

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supernatural twist and I have to admit

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both our guests the website so be sure

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Sheila's blog and especially check out

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Melissa's article I was a child bride

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for Satan so Melissa

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Satan now how could anybody resist that

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away and then of course you know

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everything else on her site was just you

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great description about your early days

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and and how you got started and really

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how he became the first

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and you are today so once you tell us a

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little bit about yourself and what

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parenting skills a little bit both my

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scarred and maybe I am a little scary

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wandering around and I came across a

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book and it was the very first very

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first volume of madness and magic and so

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if you're not familiar with that book or

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that series it's an entire collection of

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paranormal books that similar to time

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life that sort of walks the layperson

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supernatural and the paranormal so when

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you're that young you're instantly drawn

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bad and forbidden so I wanted that book

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bought it for me and I was instantly

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hooked so that was sort of the gateway

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drug to creepy things for me I had that

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desire series oh yes well and it was

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kind of kind of like you I think I read

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across my first copy you know like at a

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garage sale or something like that and

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rest of them you know the same way you

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know up bookstores and consignment

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centers and things like that so so yeah

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back in 1983 that would that would draw

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you in so um

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your grandmother bought it for you but

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now what was your mom's reaction to

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getting that book well it's funny

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because I'm not sure how I got it past

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her into the house but I managed to and

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you know I had it for a very long time

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and my mother didn't really have a

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problem with the supernatural or

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anything like that you know she was she

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really bothered her so I don't you know

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the books themselves are like a Dario

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Argento movie come to life what they're

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you know they're of a period of time

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when you know everyone sort of wanted to

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know a little bit about the paranormal

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and it was maybe a little bit sexy

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but it wasn't mainstream yet and so yeah

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she took it away from me she hid it of

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course she hid it where she hid

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everything which was under the couch so

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you know I dug it out whenever I could

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when she wasn't around and I pored over

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it and you know it became an obsession

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and when you take something away from a

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kid I think they wanted more so it just

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cemented my obsession with anything

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cream hey hey I just want to interject

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here I hear sounds like somebody

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rustling in the coffin or something yeah

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so uh I don't know it what the what is

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causing that but perhaps we can nail the

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coffin down for the time being so yeah a

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very very good audio okay I'm sorry to

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interrupt go ahead - oh no I was just

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going to say you know this is we were

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talking about Brad Steiger earlier the

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program and it was Brad's books I think

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that got me started into all of this

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you know voices from beyond I think was

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the first one that I ever a bought of

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Brad's at a very early age so I mean

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it's it's funny how all of us I think

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you know we were influenced by a book

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wouldn't you say Tim well indeed well

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you know I always tell people and they

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look at me and bewilderment how I got of

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course being mr. Creepo and all I have a

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fun interest in in horror films people

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say well how did you get involved in an

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aspect of filmmaking you know and I

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blame it all on Nancy Reagan I know I

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know that might sound strange because

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what does Nancy have to do with a horror

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movies do you know Melissa I don't but I

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really want to okay well a Nancy Reagan

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before she was Nancy Reagan was Nancy

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Davis and she appeared in a movie a

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black-and-white film called Donovan's

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brain and Donovan's brain was playing

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one night on late a late night TV and I

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don't know how old I was but my mother

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would not allow me to stay up to watch

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this fantastic art see a movie but from

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the other from my bedroom across the

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hall I could hear the pumping of the

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brain pump pump pump pump pump after

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that I had to sleep with a night light a

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night light on it jostle me some so much

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I don't know but you know a year later I

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went back to watch the movie because I

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thought it would bring back some

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childhood memories and it lasts it

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lasted for for like 10 minutes before I

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gave up realizing that I was

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sucker-punched it did it didn't work

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from I don't know maybe it was made in

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1956 or something - 19

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you know 69 or 1970 but every time I

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think of the Reagan's the these days I

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think of Donovan's

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brain and the pumping of the the brain

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in the in the in the jar so that that's

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how mr. Creepo came I became alive and

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I've always said I'm not quite so

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fascinated with the horror movies

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anymore they seem to be that they slip

331
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downhill I don't know if you would agree

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or not but I like the you know things

333
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like evasion of the Body Snatchers The

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Day the Earth Stood Still which wasn't

335
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as much a Harborview was the science

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actually the thing you know from under

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the the the ice but today's today's

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movies seem to be there's a lot of blood

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and a lot of lust and I don't even I

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could even fancy that but the story's

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just too preposterous

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I know some people would say well ghost

343
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stories are preposterous anyway but I

344
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like a more conventional movie and the

345
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movies never seem to end even when all

346
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the the spooking is over they've still

347
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got to carry on for another 15 or 20

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minutes adding like an optional ending

349
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to it so I would rather read your the

350
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the tea teacups but now what did you

351
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give it how did you get hooked into that

352
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I mean that's that's a pretty most

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people I mean after entity they're

354
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reading the tea leaves yeah so as a

355
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horror movie fanatic I would go to a lot

356
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of horror cons and monster Palooza and

357
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things like that and when I would walk

358
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through I would I loved them but there

359
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was never anything really there for

360
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women of a certain age so to speak and

361
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of a certain you know taste so I like I

362
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like classy things I like pretty things

363
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I also like scary things and so where

364
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were the elegant or finely crafted

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things for women like me so that's kind

366
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of that kind of was part of the

367
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inspiration the other inspiration was my

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grandmother who was an antiques dealer

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and her specialty was glassware and

370
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China and so you know I kind of grew up

371
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around it we always went to garage sale

372
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we always you know went to estate sales

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and auctions and you know it was in my

374
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blood from a very young age I loved it

375
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so you know that was really the

376
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inspiration she took whatever she had

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lying around the house all of her

378
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mismatched pieces and she would paint

379
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little grumpy things inside them with

380
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nail polish sometimes and so I remember

381
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her doing that she was a complicated

382
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lady not the happiest of people but that

383
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was her outsider art in the way she

384
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expressed herself so that was really the

385
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combination of the two things were

386
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really my inspiration for starting the

387
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teacups

388
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so now was was that actually a thing

389
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though with say like Victorian teacups

390
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that did some of them have messages or

391
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is this is something you know unique

392
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that you and your grandmother came up

393
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with well I remember my grandmother

394
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always doing it I certainly am not the

395
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first person to have ever put something

396
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grumpy inside a teacup or a or a coffee

397
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cup I'm sure whoever wrote over the hose

398
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probably the first one how grumpy do you

399
00:21:35,879 --> 00:21:32,799
get pretty grumpy yeah give us an

400
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example I would say my favorite one is

401
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Facebook

402
00:21:51,629 --> 00:21:50,200
it probably could yeah yeah but you have

403
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to know your audience you have to make

404
00:21:54,719 --> 00:21:53,079
sure that you're yes somebody who

405
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actually would appreciate it and not

406
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someone who would really be offended by

407
00:22:00,029 --> 00:21:59,379
it at least that's my intention I would

408
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,039
think so

409
00:22:06,779 --> 00:22:02,799
yeah so I have a twisted sense of humor

410
00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:06,789
not everyone does and that's fine now

411
00:22:10,619 --> 00:22:08,859
have you ever have you acted at any

412
00:22:14,129 --> 00:22:10,629
horror movies if you've been on the

413
00:22:18,749 --> 00:22:14,139
screen no I have not no I'm a writer and

414
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:18,759
a television producer oh okay well if we

415
00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:21,609
were still producing mr. creeper creepos

416
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:24,519
bin vignettes we would offer you a high

417
00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:27,450
high paid position right

418
00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:30,100
[Laughter]

419
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:32,260
that's right what but I say though that

420
00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:35,410
you know Stephen Colbert really got a

421
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:37,870
big kick out of this hammer shams insult

422
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:40,960
cups yeah that was a really happy a

423
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:43,720
really happy a little accident Corey

424
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:46,770
Shaw who was a producer on the tea for

425
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,450
Tuesday segment that Stephen does every

426
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:51,760
I guess he does it every week sometimes

427
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:55,510
he skips a week and he really liked my

428
00:23:00,660 --> 00:22:58,450
tea cups he bought a set of six of them

429
00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:00,670
for Steven and Steven loved them and so

430
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:03,100
they just started appearing on his show

431
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,530
so Corey would bring out a cup of tea

432
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for Steven and Steven would take a sip

433
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,360
of it and talk about the tea and the

434
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flavor and the nuances of the tea and

435
00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:15,730
then he'd look down and he would see the

436
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,260
message and he would show the message to

437
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:19,360
everyone so yeah he was he likes them

438
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:21,040
that's great and I love Steven Colbert

439
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:24,730
he's the greatest oh yeah hey very funny

440
00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:27,480
did you see an uptick in in business and

441
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:30,430
after you your cup started B Rio de

442
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:33,570
Janeiro yeah for sure

443
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,090
yeah and and if people you know like

444
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:39,760
come to you and ask for say like you

445
00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:44,170
know their own unique you know messages

446
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:45,580
so to speak you know can you put this on

447
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,050
there I do custom occasionally I like to

448
00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:52,240
keep it classy so there are certain

449
00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:55,240
things I won't put on a tea cup I like

450
00:24:00,300 --> 00:23:57,940
them to sort of stay within a snotty old

451
00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:00,310
lady language you know like something

452
00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:02,950
that the dowager countess would say kind

453
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:08,230
of like a passive-aggressive exactly all

454
00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:11,290
right well we have to go to our bottom

455
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:13,180
of the hour break here so when we come

456
00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:15,010
back we'll continue our conversation on

457
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,090
now back to exploring the bazaars with

458
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:31,679
two of the most electrifying researchers

459
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:34,980
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

460
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:41,910
Lee panting Swift's you know I I do

461
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,120
often warned people to be careful when

462
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:46,919
they jump in the chat room because it is

463
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,360
a it is a low ceiling yeah but but other

464
00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:53,580
than that you're you're free to you're

465
00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:55,950
free to frolic among the other crazies

466
00:25:01,640 --> 00:24:59,070
and Bizarros and so forth

467
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:01,650
Sheila so how are you were we talking

468
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:04,620
where are we talking to you from I am on

469
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:07,320
the Gulf Coast and Alabama just north of

470
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:12,059
Gulf doors and things are lively there

471
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:15,720
as far as the paranormal goes well

472
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:18,360
actually this area is pretty rich with

473
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:21,150
the history of you know like it dates

474
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:22,860
back you know pre Civil War and

475
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:25,530
everything so I mean I'm about an hour

476
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,290
east I mean not even an hour away from

477
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,679
mobile from you know three hours east of

478
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:33,360
New Orleans and all that so you guys

479
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,250
know how far that dates back in a way

480
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:37,080
way way back like to 300 years ago you

481
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,460
know what's like New Orleans you know

482
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:40,559
it's Mardi Gras on things like that so

483
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,530
there's a lot of history down here so

484
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:45,299
yeah it's a lot of fun lots of really

485
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:49,350
cool historical sites and and and what

486
00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:51,059
is it what is your background it well I

487
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:54,470
mean you consider yourself a a pair of

488
00:26:02,930 --> 00:25:58,080
paranormal researcher or a ghost hunter

489
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:02,940
or just a spooky person weird person

490
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:05,190
definitely I am proud to say that when I

491
00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:07,140
was younger I wouldn't have been so open

492
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:08,790
about that but I'm definitely a spooky

493
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:11,190
weird person and I you know openly

494
00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:13,590
embrace that but as far as being a

495
00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:16,040
paranormal researcher I definitely am a

496
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:18,990
paranormal investigator I don't normally

497
00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:22,049
go on investigations have I been on

498
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,780
investigations I have but to classify

499
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:27,120
myself as an investigator is not

500
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:28,530
something that I do because I don't have

501
00:26:32,150 --> 00:26:31,110
all of the investigative equipment but

502
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,160
um

503
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:34,380
I am a reader either a lot of times you

504
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:36,810
don't need all that equipment that is

505
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:39,630
very true and being an empath there are

506
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:41,070
lots of us you know that are you know

507
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,690
with the abilities and stuff like that

508
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,480
we actually use our own abilities as

509
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:48,480
tools if you will to you know to conduct

510
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,570
investigations and things so I have been

511
00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:54,120
on a couple of investigations you know

512
00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:56,160
at some pretty neat locations that you

513
00:26:59,420 --> 00:26:57,990
know I'm honored to say that it's been

514
00:27:03,200 --> 00:26:59,430
because I've been to the Beauvoir house

515
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:03,210
in Biloxi I've been to the Palmer Hotel

516
00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:05,190
in Minnesota and socks in Armonk

517
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Minnesota and they're both prevalent for

518
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:09,690
their paranormal activity pretty

519
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:12,060
interesting finds that you know were

520
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:13,740
discovered you know and it's pretty cool

521
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:15,750
and I'm going to another location in

522
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:17,610
June so I'm really excited about that

523
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:20,010
but you know I just have fun with it and

524
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:21,660
because I you know I do love to learn

525
00:27:26,030 --> 00:27:24,450
about things I've been you know involved

526
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:26,040
with the paranormal all my life because

527
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:28,440
I've had experiences myself we'll talk

528
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,780
about those another cup yeah well tell

529
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,600
us about a couple of what here yeah yeah

530
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,240
yeah when I was barely a teenager I saw

531
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:38,100
my first shadow person I know a lot of

532
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:39,210
people will probably you know would sit

533
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:41,010
there and say you know you know your

534
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,570
eyes are just playing tricks on you and

535
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:44,460
what have you but when I was really a

536
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,040
teenager I know what I seen you know it

537
00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:48,840
was a shadow figure you know like a

538
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:51,540
person or outside of my it stayed there

539
00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:53,730
for it seemed like forever and it

540
00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:56,630
terrified me but then it vanished and

541
00:28:02,600 --> 00:27:59,790
since then it's been you know decades

542
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,610
past I still see you know the shadow

543
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:04,440
people periodically but I'm not afraid

544
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:06,570
of them anymore because I've gotten so

545
00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:08,670
used to them I think that they're to me

546
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:11,040
they're more like observers to where

547
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,570
other people would sit there and view

548
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,940
them as you know like demonic entities

549
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:17,040
or presence like that and I think a lot

550
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:19,700
of that is based on people's

551
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:22,170
misunderstanding of what the figures

552
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,510
might be and you know it's based on fear

553
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:26,520
of you know what society says that they

554
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,470
are as well but my own personal

555
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:30,360
experience I'm never you know afraid

556
00:28:34,550 --> 00:28:33,000
when I see one I just basically brush it

557
00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:34,560
off now because I mean since I first

558
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:36,150
time I've heard you know well at 12

559
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:40,350
years old I'm 42 now and you know I I

560
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:41,910
don't I don't fear them anymore because

561
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:43,290
it's all the research that I've done

562
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:45,030
throughout the years that's what I

563
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:46,440
always tell people you know research

564
00:28:52,550 --> 00:28:47,820
things you know that can actually help

565
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:52,560
eliminate you know fear now you say that

566
00:28:59,060 --> 00:28:55,410
you're an empath what exactly is an

567
00:29:03,680 --> 00:28:59,070
empath an empath for my own personal

568
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:03,690
being it is one who can sense the

569
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:05,700
ability not the ability the emotions

570
00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:08,220
from other people dead or living

571
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:10,920
I can feel other people's emotions like

572
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,270
when I walk into a room I can

573
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:14,820
automatically sense the negativity was

574
00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:16,710
how you've been talking to somebody or

575
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,180
without even looking at somebody I can

576
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:20,880
feel their energy and if it's a really

577
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,130
good energy you know it makes me i

578
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:25,620
mirror that person's energy if that

579
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,310
makes sense

580
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:29,100
I feel energetic I feel a beat if I feel

581
00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:30,450
somebody's negative energy it

582
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:32,430
automatically gets me in my center gut

583
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,910
and it makes me feel weighed down that's

584
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,620
you know it's it was something that I

585
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,360
always had you know my there all my life

586
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:41,580
and when I was a kid I didn't really

587
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:44,010
understand what it meant it but you know

588
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:46,830
it just as I got older it

589
00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:48,810
I was out again that was the reason why

590
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:50,160
I was called weird because I would

591
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:52,650
always you know pick up other people's

592
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:55,110
emotions and people were always like she

593
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,670
leach are so weird because one minute

594
00:30:00,500 --> 00:29:58,860
you're happy the next minute you know

595
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:00,510
you get really really quiet next minute

596
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:02,610
and I'm like well no it's because you

597
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,780
know I feel all these different emotions

598
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:05,760
and everything but when I was younger I

599
00:30:09,890 --> 00:30:07,530
just didn't really understand it until I

600
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:09,900
got older and I became you know is

601
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,120
becoming more aware of what I had as the

602
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:13,980
ability and I started talking to other

603
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:16,050
people about it and becoming more open

604
00:30:21,530 --> 00:30:19,170
and becoming it's really a neat gift to

605
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:21,540
have I used to consider it as a curse

606
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,310
but now I'm really glad to have it

607
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:26,340
because it actually helps me to assess

608
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:28,230
situations you know that I should stay

609
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:31,620
away from I would think at times though

610
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,020
that it would just be a soul wearying

611
00:30:40,670 --> 00:30:38,640
especially if you're having to hang

612
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:40,680
around say with somebody for an extended

613
00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:41,340
period of time

614
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:44,160
who maybe just has a negative attitude

615
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:47,970
you know all the time definitely

616
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:49,430
definitely because that can be very

617
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:54,240
weighing on the mind and it can be it

618
00:30:57,890 --> 00:30:56,130
can take a stone on me sometimes and

619
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:57,900
speaking with other empath and

620
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:58,380
everything

621
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:00,750
say the same things though that's why

622
00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:02,940
it's so important for anyone with

623
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,660
disability to be able to you know

624
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:08,640
protect themselves and because you know

625
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:10,290
like when somebody asked me about it I

626
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,060
always tell them that I create a bubble

627
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:14,460
if you will for you know like a better

628
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:16,530
wording a bubble of white light

629
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,360
protection and that cut that kind of

630
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:20,700
helps keep me protected from negative

631
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:23,010
energy so even if I'm a way around it

632
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,230
it keeps me negative energy away from me

633
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,480
so it's not absorb into me and drags me

634
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:29,640
down because it's like an energy vampire

635
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:31,380
you know because there are energy

636
00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:33,900
vampires that hook in you know and

637
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:35,430
drains you and everything you know it

638
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:37,170
can be very taxing on the person you

639
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,180
know spirit in their you know their

640
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,760
well-being you know that's that's funny

641
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:43,980
that you would say that because I was

642
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,360
just thinking I've I've known several

643
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:50,820
people you know in my life who who were

644
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:55,740
very empathetic and they have admitted

645
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:58,410
to me that and and both of these people

646
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,350
have have told me this without knowing

647
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,880
the other person and they just

648
00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:04,140
practically have told me the same kind

649
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:06,180
of stories that they you know through

650
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:09,750
their life have been targeted for one of

651
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,050
a better word by people that they said

652
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,320
were energy vampires and they and you

653
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:18,000
know they said that you know some of

654
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,930
these people were well aware that what

655
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,520
that's what they were and then other

656
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:25,980
people you know it just was almost like

657
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,010
a natural ability but they had no idea

658
00:32:33,530 --> 00:32:31,140
you know that maybe subconsciously you

659
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:33,540
know that they were drawing energy from

660
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,460
other people absolutely absolutely I

661
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:40,080
think some people feed on that just for

662
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,050
their own sole purpose while others stay

663
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:45,120
away from it because I mean I would

664
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,740
never take someone else's energy away

665
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:48,360
from them because to me that's just

666
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:51,750
wrong mm-hmm what are some of the

667
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:56,310
earliest things that the legend to

668
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:00,080
believe that there was a an invisible of

669
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:04,020
ghostly world or a parallel universe er

670
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,990
I mean how exactly do you do you see the

671
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:09,840
these invisible I don't mean necessarily

672
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:12,179
see them see them but I mean

673
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:15,690
how do you say think of them as the dost

674
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:18,690
and the goblins the specters the

675
00:33:25,249 --> 00:33:23,070
alternate realities okay well um it's

676
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:25,259
really trippy though because when I was

677
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:26,730
really really little with this barely

678
00:33:32,779 --> 00:33:30,840
school age not even really the first if

679
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:32,789
he will call it a supernatural

680
00:33:38,299 --> 00:33:35,990
experience to me it was just natural

681
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:38,309
thing that happens to me that really

682
00:33:43,609 --> 00:33:40,950
stood out was it was a Sunday afternoon

683
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:43,619
Church had just released and everybody

684
00:33:46,369 --> 00:33:45,090
was congregate and run outside the

685
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,379
church door you know getting ready to

686
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,919
leave for the day and I was drawn just a

687
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:52,440
few feet away from the church front door

688
00:33:57,859 --> 00:33:56,580
to the nearby cemetery okay and it was

689
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:57,869
still on the same property you know

690
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:59,610
we'll protect it you know cars were

691
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:02,340
around I wasn't gonna get hurt but I

692
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,049
could sense you know like a smell and it

693
00:34:10,579 --> 00:34:09,000
wasn't anybody else's perfumer anything

694
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:10,589
because you know people beware perfumes

695
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,970
colognes on things like that but it

696
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:13,679
wasn't that I was drawn to a certain

697
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,129
fragrance out into the cemetery and so I

698
00:34:22,309 --> 00:34:20,399
was you know just like stepping towards

699
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,319
this one particular grave and I walked

700
00:34:25,819 --> 00:34:24,240
to it and I was a little girl like I

701
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,829
said and I just kind of got drawn to it

702
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,639
by myself

703
00:34:31,099 --> 00:34:28,919
meandering all the way through it and as

704
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,109
I got closer and closer to the test song

705
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:33,720
the fragrance got stronger and stronger

706
00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:36,780
and keep in mind this is an older you

707
00:34:42,409 --> 00:34:39,389
know tombs not mean gravesite if you

708
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,419
will and no family members were buried

709
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:43,919
there so I don't know why I was drawn to

710
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,889
that particular once but but as I got

711
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:49,919
closer to the spot the fragrance got

712
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:52,200
stronger and stronger and then I got

713
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:53,790
closer and closer because I wanted to

714
00:34:58,579 --> 00:34:56,129
smell it even more as I got closer to

715
00:35:01,940 --> 00:34:58,589
the ground I started seeing these images

716
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,950
of the skeleton it wasn't scary to me or

717
00:35:06,049 --> 00:35:03,900
anything like that but then right before

718
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,059
I realized my nose was just inches above

719
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:08,880
the grass and I want it so badly to take

720
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:10,410
my hand and just dig into it and that's

721
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:12,150
when my grandmother saw me she she

722
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:15,480
stopped me and that has always stuck in

723
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:17,910
my mind ever since then and like I said

724
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:19,650
I was barely school-aged at that time

725
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,970
but I was so intrigued with what my mind

726
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:26,460
I was seeing and what my

727
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:30,390
extra sense was smelling I I want it

728
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:32,039
more and I know that sounds really

729
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:36,869
McCobb and just crazy but the essence of

730
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:38,670
death didn't frighten me it didn't scare

731
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,119
me or anything and ever since then every

732
00:35:46,279 --> 00:35:44,760
time I see a graveyard it just makes me

733
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,289
think of that one particular moment in

734
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:49,200
my life and to me it's a very beautiful

735
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:50,940
thing and I know like I said that sounds

736
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:53,760
really just more than and creepy but to

737
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:55,890
me and that fragrance has been something

738
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:57,450
that has always stuck with me and I've

739
00:36:02,900 --> 00:35:59,460
never smelled it again since and it was

740
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:02,910
like an older era type you know perfume

741
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:04,470
something like something fragrant

742
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,109
something beautiful and like I said I

743
00:36:10,309 --> 00:36:09,119
kept on seeing that skeleton ever since

744
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:10,319
you know every time I was getting closer

745
00:36:15,319 --> 00:36:13,170
and closer to the to the grave but I

746
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:15,329
remember it just as clear as a bell and

747
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:20,130
that was gosh more than 35 years ago

748
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:21,960
Joshua kuchen would have loved that

749
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:27,119
story you know go ahead let him know I

750
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:28,529
was just going to say I just recently

751
00:36:33,049 --> 00:36:30,450
came out about that like a little over a

752
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:33,059
year ago because to me it took me a

753
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:35,849
while to even speak out about it because

754
00:36:40,309 --> 00:36:38,430
well I was so young gonna you know just

755
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,319
in fear saying things you know for the

756
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:41,760
family's sake and stuff because it was

757
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:43,260
about church and stuff like that you

758
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,170
know I just didn't want to you know you

759
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:48,359
know like anybody mad or anything but I

760
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:50,250
finally you know spoke out about it and

761
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:51,960
ever since then people have become so

762
00:36:58,220 --> 00:36:55,680
intrigued about that and so it just it's

763
00:36:59,720 --> 00:36:58,230
you know it was just definitely scary to

764
00:37:02,299 --> 00:36:59,730
me not really scary scary but it was

765
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:02,309
definitely interesting to me well what

766
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:07,460
what has been the oh the the feeling of

767
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,670
family members or or people that you you

768
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:13,920
met I mean are you pretty open about

769
00:37:18,859 --> 00:37:16,950
talking about these things oh I am now I

770
00:37:20,059 --> 00:37:18,869
mean my life is an open book anybody

771
00:37:21,799 --> 00:37:20,069
wants to know something I'll be more

772
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:21,809
than happy to tell ya but when I was

773
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,910
growing up I wasn't that way because of

774
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,980
you know growing up with a religious

775
00:37:29,029 --> 00:37:27,359
background and everything like that we

776
00:37:30,859 --> 00:37:29,039
didn't necessarily talk about certain

777
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:30,869
things just because you know that's just

778
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:32,250
not what you did down here in the south

779
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:35,339
and but now that I'm an adult I'm my own

780
00:37:39,319 --> 00:37:37,020
person and you know I'm in control Who I

781
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:39,329
am and you know my own life

782
00:37:44,209 --> 00:37:42,689
I don't fear anything anymore and my

783
00:37:46,189 --> 00:37:44,219
life's an open book so if anybody has

784
00:37:49,689 --> 00:37:46,199
any kind of like questions about my

785
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:49,699
experiences I openly talk about them

786
00:37:57,649 --> 00:37:53,880
well knowing the the attitude a lot of

787
00:37:59,929 --> 00:37:57,659
times when it comes to the paranormal

788
00:38:01,459 --> 00:37:59,939
and ghosts and you know Ghoulies and

789
00:38:04,339 --> 00:38:01,469
things that go bump in the night

790
00:38:08,659 --> 00:38:04,349
especially down south and they're in the

791
00:38:10,939 --> 00:38:08,669
the Bible Belt and I know that it can

792
00:38:13,009 --> 00:38:10,949
rent hot or cold when it comes to

793
00:38:14,149 --> 00:38:13,019
opinions from people because you know

794
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:14,159
you have people you know like guys who

795
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:17,099
are really interested and you know then

796
00:38:20,109 --> 00:38:18,599
you have the others who was like oh my

797
00:38:24,439 --> 00:38:20,119
god you're a demon straight from hell

798
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,449
yep absolutely absolutely and as a

799
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:26,099
matter of fact I got told yesterday by

800
00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:27,359
somebody walking up to my door just

801
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:32,099
randomly trying to you know impose his

802
00:38:34,969 --> 00:38:33,569
beliefs on me and I told him I didn't

803
00:38:36,859 --> 00:38:34,979
believe like him and he told me I'm

804
00:38:39,409 --> 00:38:36,869
gonna go to hell because of that and I'm

805
00:38:41,179 --> 00:38:39,419
like hmm that's interesting but yeah I'm

806
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:41,189
told that periodically but I just

807
00:38:44,959 --> 00:38:42,630
brushed it off because you know I'm

808
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:44,969
open-minded and I just stick with that

809
00:38:48,439 --> 00:38:46,859
so you know I can't let other people's

810
00:38:51,099 --> 00:38:48,449
beliefs do you know impose on mine so

811
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:51,109
I'm good but this was a guy who just

812
00:38:58,249 --> 00:38:54,089
came to your door trying to push his

813
00:38:59,419 --> 00:38:58,259
religion he had no idea about your

814
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,429
background or anything like that

815
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:01,619
no not at all none whatsoever and when I

816
00:39:06,439 --> 00:39:04,439
openly told him he he was an elderly man

817
00:39:07,969 --> 00:39:06,449
and you could tell he was from with all

818
00:39:10,729 --> 00:39:07,979
the respect you know the old school type

819
00:39:11,929 --> 00:39:10,739
stuff and he had two young guys with him

820
00:39:13,279 --> 00:39:11,939
that were barely twelve thirteen years

821
00:39:17,059 --> 00:39:13,289
old that were cute you know dressed up

822
00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:17,069
in their Sunday's finest and you know I

823
00:39:19,699 --> 00:39:18,449
opened the door I didn't even know it

824
00:39:21,259 --> 00:39:19,709
because we were eating dinner at my

825
00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:21,269
family and I and then we heard you know

826
00:39:25,729 --> 00:39:23,789
it's not my doorbell chimes and so I

827
00:39:28,129 --> 00:39:25,739
opened the door here's this cute little

828
00:39:30,319 --> 00:39:28,139
oh dude with his glasses on you know and

829
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,329
he kept his church buttoned up and he's

830
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,099
like hi how are you and you know and I'm

831
00:39:36,049 --> 00:39:34,859
like you know I did talk to him for a

832
00:39:39,439 --> 00:39:36,059
minute you know because I'm not gonna be

833
00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:39,449
rude and so he proceeds to reach into

834
00:39:43,099 --> 00:39:41,189
his little shirt pocket pulls out this

835
00:39:45,799 --> 00:39:43,109
little pamphlet and I stopped him

836
00:39:48,529 --> 00:39:45,809
politely told him I wasn't interested in

837
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,539
what he had to offer and he goes um why

838
00:39:52,489 --> 00:39:50,579
is that you don't believe and I said no

839
00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:52,499
I'm not necessarily like you do and he

840
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:52,830
goes

841
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,390
you're gonna go straight to Helmand and

842
00:39:58,700 --> 00:39:57,000
I said I won't unless your belief not

843
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,710
mine and I'm sitting there I'm smiling I

844
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:00,000
don't cuz I'm looking at the two kids

845
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:02,010
and it felt so bad for them because they

846
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,780
look like they're ten shades of awkward

847
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:06,000
you know they're like now look at them

848
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:07,770
like you know hey you know how are you

849
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,210
doing that looked like a gentleman I

850
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:11,520
said you guys have a nice day and he's

851
00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:13,320
like okay he's still trying to talk to

852
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:15,270
me but then he realizes he has no

853
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:16,980
grounds with that so he's like okay you

854
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:17,820
have a nice day too

855
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:20,040
and I shut the door and they left well

856
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:23,390
do you do you do you believe in hell

857
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:25,770
well that's the thing though I'm not a

858
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:29,190
Christian I'm a Wiccan so I'm a white

859
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:35,070
wish uh-huh and what okay well that's a

860
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:38,910
kind of a another subject there how did

861
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,330
you you know I knew ray Buckland when he

862
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:44,400
lived here in New York he was one of the

863
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,320
first to go public with being a

864
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:51,480
Alexandrian I think he was which mm-hmm

865
00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:55,560
and we said of course I had one of the

866
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:58,230
first metaphysical centers in the

867
00:41:02,300 --> 00:40:59,940
country New York school of occult Arts

868
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:02,310
and Sciences and it was pretty pretty

869
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,010
active even in those days there were the

870
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:06,900
occultist like myself and then there

871
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:10,320
were the the well I don't know if you

872
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:12,360
would call that they will call them

873
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:15,150
witchcraft groups but they weren't all

874
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:18,840
they certainly weren't all Wiccan I mean

875
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,250
there was a a lot of different groups

876
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:25,500
and some of them I think it tried to

877
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:28,760
actually disguise themselves as being a

878
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,580
Wiccan so it is not to cause a great

879
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:34,680
deal of controversy have you ever heard

880
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:37,770
of the processed Church no I have it

881
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:40,080
okay well the press's Church supposedly

882
00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:41,910
Charles Manson was a member but we don't

883
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:44,340
we don't know that for a fact but they

884
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:46,770
they used to have meetings here in in

885
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:47,400
New York

886
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:51,060
and they were a coven but you never

887
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,730
could quite find out exactly what there

888
00:42:00,080 --> 00:41:56,520
and you can google them on the on the

889
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:00,090
internet they were kind of a I think

890
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:04,500
into Christianity and the occult kind of

891
00:42:06,809 --> 00:42:05,970
as a combination that would be like

892
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:06,819
Gnostic

893
00:42:12,359 --> 00:42:10,569
or something I believe but they used to

894
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:12,369
hold some very lively meetings and stuff

895
00:42:16,859 --> 00:42:15,130
in fact they had a Betty Hill the UFO

896
00:42:19,049 --> 00:42:16,869
abductor he came down and lectured and

897
00:42:22,979 --> 00:42:19,059
I'm sure she probably didn't even know

898
00:42:24,419 --> 00:42:22,989
what the kind of group it was but then

899
00:42:27,569 --> 00:42:24,429
we don't know what kind of group it was

900
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:27,579
really except they were later associated

901
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:29,529
with Charles Manson but there was really

902
00:42:33,569 --> 00:42:31,689
no proof of that and even if Charles

903
00:42:36,569 --> 00:42:33,579
Manson was a member it doesn't mean that

904
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:36,579
the group really had any anything in

905
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:38,410
common with him I mean you could belong

906
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:41,140
to any group actually probably hide

907
00:42:46,409 --> 00:42:44,049
whoever it is that you are you but for

908
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:46,419
our listeners who may not be that

909
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:49,660
they're familiar with the Wicca how how

910
00:42:55,499 --> 00:42:51,729
would you describe Wicca and how would

911
00:42:58,169 --> 00:42:55,509
you describe some people who think of it

912
00:43:02,579 --> 00:42:58,179
as a satanic cult how can you set them

913
00:43:04,919 --> 00:43:02,589
straight on that well Rick we are I mean

914
00:43:08,969 --> 00:43:04,929
if you look at us and it basically

915
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:08,979
follows a reed and basically eight words

916
00:43:14,189 --> 00:43:11,349
or you know remembered more than all the

917
00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:14,199
other words together and they are as

918
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:17,439
follows and it harm none do what you

919
00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:19,630
will and what that basically means is

920
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:22,119
not to cause harm or bring any kind of

921
00:43:27,659 --> 00:43:25,900
harm to anyone including oneself because

922
00:43:30,509 --> 00:43:27,669
if you do then it can come back

923
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:30,519
threefold law mentally emotionally and

924
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:34,329
physically and you know it's it's Karma

925
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:37,209
it's we're an you know a lot of people

926
00:43:41,759 --> 00:43:39,249
might dispute what we are but if you

927
00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:41,769
look at sup you know we're nature based

928
00:43:47,189 --> 00:43:44,439
we love nature we we look at the divine

929
00:43:49,259 --> 00:43:47,199
you know Mother Earth you know and the

930
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:49,269
moon and the Sun and things like that we

931
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:51,849
we aren't violent and a lot of people

932
00:43:55,439 --> 00:43:54,099
think oh or your witches you know then

933
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:55,449
you go back to Hollywood and all this

934
00:44:00,599 --> 00:43:57,249
other stuff and with all the respect you

935
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,609
know they see that you know witches and

936
00:44:04,649 --> 00:44:02,319
stuff like that or you know things like

937
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:04,659
that out of perspective it's all bad no

938
00:44:09,329 --> 00:44:06,609
it's not it's not all bad you have good

939
00:44:11,849 --> 00:44:09,339
you have bad yes no evil and everything

940
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:11,859
that's why I said I'm a white which not

941
00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:13,900
all Wiccans might be white witches or

942
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:16,630
vice versa but that's how I you know

943
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:19,150
turn myself because that's what I am and

944
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:20,650
I only practice

945
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:22,510
white magic I don't practice anything

946
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:24,490
dark and I'll practice anything great

947
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,440
because again that goes against my

948
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:29,400
belief I only practice what is good I

949
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,410
communicate with angels I have my angel

950
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:34,480
you know my angelic radio on all the

951
00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:37,480
time I listen to the message or you know

952
00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:41,020
the messages from the higher self and

953
00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:43,420
you know and that's what I'm all about

954
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:46,270
is to help portray goodness you know I

955
00:44:50,609 --> 00:44:48,760
don't do evil I don't people have asked

956
00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:50,619
me oh you're bad you're evil no I mean

957
00:44:54,029 --> 00:44:52,180
they told me that I'm like no I'm not

958
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:54,039
because if you truly know me I'm not

959
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:54,789
like that

960
00:45:01,319 --> 00:44:58,569
you know anthem I actually I'm not

961
00:45:04,109 --> 00:45:01,329
psyched Satanic by any means I I don't

962
00:45:06,059 --> 00:45:04,119
even believe in the devil per se because

963
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:06,069
I mean is there good evil I mean good

964
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:08,140
energy and there's bad energy you know

965
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:12,490
but that's just my belief but you know

966
00:45:16,019 --> 00:45:13,210
it's just

967
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,029
we're different like I said I used to be

968
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:18,160
a Christian I was raised as a Baptist

969
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,650
but I never felt comfortable and never

970
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:23,440
felt at home if you will with that so

971
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:26,170
that's you know started you know going

972
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,150
down my own path my own spiritual

973
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:30,640
journey and I'm very very happy with

974
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,170
where I am in my life right now well by

975
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:38,079
by saying that you don't believe in the

976
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:40,390
devil for a lot of a lot of these people

977
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,950
they're like oh well that'll send you

978
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,839
straight to hell yeah you don't believe

979
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,520
I doubt you don't believe in the devil

980
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:47,440
oh you're going to hell like oh wait it

981
00:45:52,049 --> 00:45:49,770
doesn't make sense

982
00:45:53,819 --> 00:45:52,059
exactly exactly I know it's like that

983
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:53,829
guy who told me that yesterday I could

984
00:45:58,319 --> 00:45:55,480
have totally went to a debate mode with

985
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,329
them but I didn't because you know what

986
00:46:02,970 --> 00:45:59,920
would that proven you know it would have

987
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:02,980
proven nothing so well I you know I got

988
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:05,470
my reservation and to go to hell and I

989
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:10,000
got a front-row seat well if I'm going

990
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:11,770
to hell let me sit right beside you can

991
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:16,170
we can well okay there you go

992
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,180
more than more than happy to do that

993
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:21,760
just to watch out I'm kind of handy with

994
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,079
a pitchfork hey I wonder how that ever

995
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:28,960
got started to pick forth probably

996
00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:30,990
probably probably by some big

997
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:33,160
corporation who couldn't sell them

998
00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:34,450
saying to come up with a way of

999
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,540
Marketing a pitch for there you go hey

1000
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:39,280
we can put some marshmallows on that and

1001
00:46:52,349 --> 00:46:49,810
roast them well I mean it is to me it's

1002
00:46:57,210 --> 00:46:52,359
to me it's it's funny but I mean I know

1003
00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:57,220
that you know being a Wiccan that there

1004
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:01,740
are all sorts of misconceptions you know

1005
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:03,970
surrounding that and there are a lot of

1006
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:05,800
people who are just you know already

1007
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:09,550
just to jump to conclusions without even

1008
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:11,950
taking the time to either talk to you or

1009
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:14,710
do do the research yourself so you know

1010
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,290
I can imagine sometimes you know you're

1011
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:19,990
just like if somebody would ask you

1012
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:22,210
you're just like oh you know I don't

1013
00:47:27,569 --> 00:47:24,810
know you just don't want to say anything

1014
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:27,579
well you know like I you know I always

1015
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,020
tell people I don't want to dance on

1016
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:30,640
anybody's toes you know or take anyone

1017
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:31,960
off but you know if you ever had a

1018
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:34,270
question please just you know find me

1019
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:36,220
you know you always go to your shield

1020
00:47:40,589 --> 00:47:38,410
Renee Parker comm go to my site you know

1021
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:40,599
I do have a contact she learn a parkour

1022
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,569
page on that site you can always ask me

1023
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:45,520
questions you know I'm very open-minded

1024
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:49,089
I'm very open spoken if you will you

1025
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,220
know and there's no judgment on my site

1026
00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:53,440
or anything you know I'm very positive

1027
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:56,950
vibes only type person you know and it's

1028
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:00,190
really funny that you say that the the

1029
00:48:05,490 --> 00:48:03,010
titles of someone who actually has the

1030
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:05,500
fear of witchcraft they suffer from

1031
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:08,710
Wicca phobia so the word Wicca is in the

1032
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:10,900
word Wicca phobia so and it's tricky

1033
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:13,000
though because if you really knew me as

1034
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:15,790
a person there's no reason to fear me or

1035
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:17,530
anybody else that I know that's Wiccan

1036
00:48:23,309 --> 00:48:19,089
you know I mean we're all laid-back

1037
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:23,319
people you know some because some people

1038
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:25,540
I think they just they just want to be

1039
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:28,720
afraid or enjoy hating you know whatever

1040
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:32,079
but you know what yeah well Tim I mean I

1041
00:48:35,970 --> 00:48:33,970
hate to say this bringing up that word

1042
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:35,980
we have to go to our top of the hour

1043
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:39,250
break so this is our long break and we

1044
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:41,800
will continue with more from our guests

1045
00:49:01,720 --> 00:48:59,059
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

1046
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:01,730
ride into the world of the paranormal

1047
00:49:09,309 --> 00:49:05,040
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1048
00:49:12,430 --> 00:49:09,319
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1049
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,440
ghosts Lost Worlds

1050
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:14,819
cryptozoology waters as well as other

1051
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:18,690
dimensions it's time to take back the

1052
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:23,819
night now your electrifying hosts of

1053
00:49:31,009 --> 00:49:26,910
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1054
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:33,960
all right welcome back to exploring the

1055
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:36,730
bizarre and tonight our guest Melissa

1056
00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:40,180
Johnson and Sheila Parker and we're

1057
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:42,369
gonna bring Melissa back into the

1058
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:45,670
conversation again and I just I wanted

1059
00:49:53,579 --> 00:49:49,000
to ask Melissa now and I didn't go and

1060
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:53,589
read them read them all but in your in

1061
00:50:00,450 --> 00:49:57,150
your bio you've got like a long list of

1062
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:00,460
really interesting jobs it seems like

1063
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:03,130
you know running from joke and promo

1064
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:05,529
writer you know television development

1065
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:09,430
executive to chief being cooked at an

1066
00:50:18,569 --> 00:50:16,630
Ohio Taco Bell I mean most people

1067
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:18,579
wouldn't would enlist would enlist you

1068
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,529
know something like that in the career

1069
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:23,440
but you you have no fear no you know

1070
00:50:26,910 --> 00:50:25,000
I've had a lot of different jobs

1071
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,920
throughout my life especially when I was

1072
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:28,960
really young which was when the Taco

1073
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:32,049
Bell job happened and I learned

1074
00:50:35,789 --> 00:50:33,549
something from all of them you know

1075
00:50:37,799 --> 00:50:35,799
they're all they all gave me a skill

1076
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,809
that I carried with me one way or

1077
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:40,000
another so yeah and I have a short

1078
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:41,950
attention span so I like jumping around

1079
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:43,000
to different things

1080
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:46,420
sure well okay what are these things is

1081
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:48,420
that you said that you once nearly broke

1082
00:50:54,089 --> 00:50:52,660
Baryshnikov's ankle during why don't you

1083
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,099
tell us about that cuz that's that's

1084
00:50:57,059 --> 00:50:55,599
really interesting and i you know i

1085
00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:57,069
looked all over your site and i couldn't

1086
00:51:02,249 --> 00:50:59,380
find any any other references to that so

1087
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:02,259
i mean oh are you free to talk about

1088
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:10,240
this you know sure so first time ever

1089
00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:13,150
yeah so I worked for a ballet company

1090
00:51:18,839 --> 00:51:15,700
called Elliot Feld ballet tech in New

1091
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:18,849
York City and it was in a building that

1092
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:21,940
had a lot of rehearsal spaces so dance

1093
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:23,710
troupes would rent the rehearsal spaces

1094
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:27,220
but periodically and I was running to

1095
00:51:33,539 --> 00:51:30,700
catch a telephone call and there was

1096
00:51:37,289 --> 00:51:33,549
Misha he was stretching in the lobby and

1097
00:51:39,539 --> 00:51:37,299
I tripped and I fell and I almost I

1098
00:51:41,789 --> 00:51:39,549
almost landed on him but I really did

1099
00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:41,799
contort myself in such a way that I took

1100
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:43,660
the brunt of the fall Misha

1101
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:44,730
so

1102
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:47,820
he was he was noticeably concerned and

1103
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:50,580
so is everyone else understandably but

1104
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:52,350
you know we all had a good laugh about

1105
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:56,540
her I did later much much later

1106
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:00,240
I could imagine though that Baryshnikov

1107
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:04,230
may not have you know took it with good

1108
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:08,220
humor considering you know I mean you

1109
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:14,130
know his ankle of course it's it's his

1110
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:15,150
instrument right

1111
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:18,270
so I little awkward you know it was the

1112
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,420
90s platforms were in I'm not a very

1113
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:23,760
coordinated individual no one could call

1114
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:27,270
me a Firebird so it happened you know

1115
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:30,360
and it's good that it's a that he didn't

1116
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:37,980
get a broken ankle go ahead say and he

1117
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:39,450
didn't stand there and scream at you

1118
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:44,550
version 10 minutes after now you you

1119
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:48,810
were involved in producing shows yeah so

1120
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,630
I produced animation for about 20 years

1121
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:54,720
or so and then I kind of you know needed

1122
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,220
to take a break and that's when teacups

1123
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,040
kind of blossomed so I just wanted a

1124
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:01,740
different career I wrote and I produced

1125
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,680
animation for commercials for television

1126
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,920
series for shorts I worked on a video

1127
00:53:13,940 --> 00:53:11,040
game so yeah I I love animation and I

1128
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:13,950
will always love animation but we have I

1129
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:17,460
I want I want to ask you when's the last

1130
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:22,920
time you hung out in the cemetery you

1131
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,770
know in LA we have this wonderful thing

1132
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:28,260
at Hollywood Forever Cemetery where they

1133
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,859
show movies and so I I don't know how

1134
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:33,300
they got the permission to do it I

1135
00:53:36,859 --> 00:53:34,710
should do a little more research on that

1136
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,869
but you know they have movies and you

1137
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:39,240
can just drive in and sit among you know

1138
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,790
not right up against this the the

1139
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:42,960
tombstones or anything but there's a

1140
00:53:49,099 --> 00:53:44,730
designated area but it's great to watch

1141
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,109
horror movies in the cemetery so I you

1142
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:51,420
know cemeteries have fallen on hard

1143
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:54,990
times in fact there is a cemetery in in

1144
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,930
Jersey City not far away and

1145
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,960
my friend Carla who runs balance the

1146
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:03,599
beautician and every Halloween they have

1147
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:06,540
a outdoor Halloween party in the in the

1148
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:09,780
cemetery and so I guess it's a an

1149
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:12,059
abandoned cemetery maybe or maybe

1150
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,460
nobody's look you know caring for it too

1151
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,859
well so they collect a few dollars at

1152
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,559
the door you get to hear your

1153
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:21,420
heavy-metal zombie music and the money

1154
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:23,730
goes to keep the year that the

1155
00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:25,770
tombstones up right I suppose yeah I

1156
00:54:31,299 --> 00:54:29,069
love that and when I was a kid we lived

1157
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:31,309
in a funeral home for a little while so

1158
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:34,410
and I've always had a thing for

1159
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,450
cemeteries there was one right behind my

1160
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,099
house when I was growing up that I would

1161
00:54:42,609 --> 00:54:40,920
sort of creep on over to whenever I was

1162
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:42,619
feeling grumpy and you know there was a

1163
00:54:46,339 --> 00:54:44,700
there were woods behind my house and

1164
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:46,349
then you walk through the woods and

1165
00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:47,849
there was this giant Cemetery and it was

1166
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:51,630
magical so that was that was probably my

1167
00:54:59,890 --> 00:54:55,020
first love affair with cemeteries what

1168
00:55:02,599 --> 00:54:59,900
we go up occasionally to the albany

1169
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:02,609
rural cemetery which was maybe five or

1170
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:05,099
ten miles outside of the the capital new

1171
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,520
york here and there is one of the oldest

1172
00:55:14,859 --> 00:55:11,520
cemeteries in the country in fact at

1173
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:14,869
charles fort the entire fort family is a

1174
00:55:21,049 --> 00:55:18,119
buried there charles fort of course

1175
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:21,059
being the grandfather of the the

1176
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,510
supernatural and author of wild talents

1177
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,640
and low and mysterious disappearances

1178
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:28,980
and so forth and and there have been all

1179
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:33,980
kinds of a weird phenomena we have an

1180
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:38,790
associate at claudia cutting him who I

1181
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,770
called the MIB lady because she's had a

1182
00:55:49,059 --> 00:55:43,680
few encounters and research the men and

1183
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,069
black up yonder but there have been

1184
00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:51,920
incidences where cars have rolled down

1185
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,270
gravel roads but you don't hear them

1186
00:56:01,789 --> 00:55:59,040
traveling over the gravel and they will

1187
00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:01,799
get to a an area that's fenced off or

1188
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:05,000
has a link chain over it and disappear

1189
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:09,440
there is a couple dressed in pajamas

1190
00:56:14,479 --> 00:56:11,849
carrying a in the can

1191
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:14,489
in their hand that pass over the

1192
00:56:23,749 --> 00:56:19,710
tombstones on a frequent basis and all

1193
00:56:25,579 --> 00:56:23,759
kinds of other spooky stories so I mean

1194
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:25,589
do you think that the things are more

1195
00:56:31,489 --> 00:56:28,529
prone to happen in cemeteries or is it

1196
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:31,499
just because people are into that vibe

1197
00:56:38,299 --> 00:56:35,130
there or or what your your thinking on

1198
00:56:40,279 --> 00:56:38,309
cemeteries in the paranormal I think

1199
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:40,289
when I was a kid I just wanted to go

1200
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:42,150
somewhere creepy and forbidden because

1201
00:56:46,249 --> 00:56:43,890
it makes it more interesting and I also

1202
00:56:47,989 --> 00:56:46,259
think that um that was my initial

1203
00:56:49,779 --> 00:56:47,999
attraction to it but then I started

1204
00:56:51,799 --> 00:56:49,789
looking at all of the cemeteries

1205
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:51,809
gravestones and really sort of

1206
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:53,729
calculating how old people were when

1207
00:56:57,799 --> 00:56:55,049
they passed and what year they were born

1208
00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:57,809
and looking at the art and doing you

1209
00:57:03,469 --> 00:57:00,410
know scratchings of it so that was my

1210
00:57:05,509 --> 00:57:03,479
initial love of cemeteries do I think

1211
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:05,519
there's forces and energy there

1212
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:08,940
absolutely I feel if nothing else it's a

1213
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:12,420
collection of sorrow of the people that

1214
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:16,140
are mourning and you feel that you you

1215
00:57:22,579 --> 00:57:19,559
have a respect for you know the their

1216
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:22,589
loss my husband and I were actually

1217
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:24,809
actually got engaged in Greenwood

1218
00:57:28,729 --> 00:57:26,099
Cemetery in Brooklyn

1219
00:57:31,299 --> 00:57:28,739
we used to live on yeah I'd love that

1220
00:57:36,219 --> 00:57:31,309
Cemetery it's beautiful

1221
00:57:38,539 --> 00:57:36,229
it's one of the older ones actually so I

1222
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:38,549
lived on one end of the cemetery he

1223
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:39,960
lived on the other and we used to walk

1224
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,390
with this cemetery to have our little

1225
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:44,640
dates and one day we were walking to the

1226
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:46,940
cemetery and he proposed which is any

1227
00:57:54,849 --> 00:57:51,450
goth girls dream let's be honest now

1228
00:57:57,979 --> 00:57:54,859
would you say goth a girl are you all

1229
00:58:02,959 --> 00:57:57,989
are you fitted up with the vampire Fang

1230
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:02,969
no no but I don't know catalyzer zombies

1231
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,059
I know but I respect that

1232
00:58:10,279 --> 00:58:08,460
no I think I was probably Markoff in

1233
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:10,289
high school you know it was a good way

1234
00:58:16,759 --> 00:58:14,910
to rebel against being different in

1235
00:58:18,859 --> 00:58:16,769
general so you have two options when

1236
00:58:21,529 --> 00:58:18,869
you're when you're different you can

1237
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:21,539
either you know go with it or you can

1238
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:23,609
rebel against it and I just chose to

1239
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:25,710
embrace it and say yeah I'm weird

1240
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:27,089
I'm weirder than you I'm weirder than

1241
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:28,200
you I'm weirder than you and I don't

1242
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:29,820
know that I have ever really outgrown it

1243
00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:32,310
so do I look

1244
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:36,060
gothy today I like black I like wearing

1245
00:58:43,099 --> 00:58:39,570
a lot of black sure but you know I was

1246
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:43,109
in I had to go to NYU a hospital today

1247
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:48,030
and I was sitting in the blood lab okay

1248
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:50,460
I'm all playing he says and I went with

1249
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:53,220
my friend that April and she says you

1250
00:58:58,070 --> 00:58:54,750
know the SEC guy young guy because she

1251
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:58,080
knows she's a hairdresser in she was

1252
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:01,020
commenting on his is his haircut and

1253
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:04,500
everything and she said to me did you

1254
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:07,770
notice his teeth I said no I don't

1255
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:09,930
usually examines people's teeth she said

1256
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,790
well you know he had silver fangs and I

1257
00:59:19,339 --> 00:59:16,920
noticed a couple people were kind of you

1258
00:59:20,839 --> 00:59:19,349
know a curious and they were kind of

1259
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:20,849
talking to him I didn't overhear the

1260
00:59:26,810 --> 00:59:23,790
conversation but I almost wanted to go

1261
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:26,820
up to him and ask him if he knew father

1262
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:30,210
Sebastian father I don't know do you

1263
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:33,089
know who father Sebastian is I mean I

1264
00:59:40,490 --> 00:59:37,280
don't yeah okay well he runs a vampire

1265
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:40,500
you know it would call a group or cult

1266
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,829
every I would think that everybody knows

1267
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:51,440
the baby well he made he made some

1268
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:55,020
things for our the people that were in

1269
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,050
our one of our horror movies barely

1270
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:00,480
legal lesbian vampires the curse of Ed

1271
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:03,450
Wood and he made some terrific [\h__\h] and

1272
01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:04,830
I remember everybody and I said to

1273
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,020
myself I bet if I went to this guy he'd

1274
01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:08,640
be really freaked out that I knew who

1275
01:00:14,290 --> 01:00:11,070
father Sebastian was you know so there

1276
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,300
you go that's me that's my that's my

1277
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:17,760
close connection to two goth and I've

1278
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:21,720
always been sort of a would you call it

1279
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:26,490
a a closeted goth yeah I wear I wear the

1280
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,150
black just because I like black but I

1281
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:32,880
used to go to some of the golf clubs

1282
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,440
there was one in fact we did some

1283
01:00:39,610 --> 01:00:36,960
filming and I in Newark and I can't

1284
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:39,620
remember the name of it offhand but

1285
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:43,710
you know I was somewhat okay negotiated

1286
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:45,510
across the street from the post office I

1287
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:52,710
remember that well you could say maybe

1288
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:01,260
that was their dead letter office I

1289
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:04,680
deserved that one so you go ahead no go

1290
01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:07,500
ahead good back to the fangs for a

1291
01:01:14,330 --> 01:01:09,900
second I wonder what came first is his

1292
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:14,340
choice in you know in blood work or is

1293
01:01:23,090 --> 01:01:20,310
his fangs you know I don't wonder but I

1294
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,100
mean okay what if you don't mind me

1295
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:25,760
asking you how are you would Wiccan or

1296
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:30,150
satanic or Karev Aleister Crowley person

1297
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:34,500
or I'm a happy atheist but I respect a

1298
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:35,790
person's right to choose their own

1299
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:38,040
religion and whatever they want to do is

1300
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:41,310
fine as long as they don't you know push

1301
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:41,940
it on me

1302
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:47,130
iris that's kind of my I'm a seeker for

1303
01:01:54,350 --> 01:01:50,490
the for the truth which most people are

1304
01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:54,360
not unfortunately they are blind

1305
01:02:00,100 --> 01:01:57,750
faithless if that's the the word I mean

1306
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:00,110
they they accept with their parents

1307
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:02,910
indoctrinated them in or somebody came

1308
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,150
out I would assume that some people that

1309
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:07,920
come in knocking at your door

1310
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:10,890
they must convert somebody or they

1311
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:12,810
wouldn't come nothing at their doors

1312
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:14,910
anymore right I don't know I'm a

1313
01:02:23,690 --> 01:02:19,800
follower of the OWASP II [\h__\h] dark

1314
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:23,700
difficult it's a dar difficult book if

1315
01:02:28,370 --> 01:02:25,830
you can get through the twelve hundred

1316
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:28,380
fifty pages to volume set of our Oh

1317
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,180
OSBI I think you could be indoctrinated

1318
01:02:39,050 --> 01:02:35,760
into any religion you know there have

1319
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:39,060
been so many religions that have existed

1320
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:43,020
over the the the years that that's

1321
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:45,240
always intrigued me I mean I I'm very

1322
01:02:51,710 --> 01:02:49,200
much into spiritualism I'm not

1323
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:51,720
necessarily a big a big believer in it

1324
01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:53,430
but I do equate the

1325
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:55,020
the phenomena that takes place in the

1326
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:57,569
seance room - what happens in a UFO

1327
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:00,359
where you know landing or an abduction

1328
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:02,609
or something they're there great deal of

1329
01:03:07,870 --> 01:03:05,040
parallels and it's interesting ectoplasm

1330
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:07,880
and all of that stuff you know so

1331
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:11,040
searching spiritualism specifically or

1332
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:13,970
you know you know it go it still goes on

1333
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:16,770
to this day it's a little bit more

1334
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:20,339
undercover here but there are a

1335
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:22,710
spiritualist groups there's Cassadaga

1336
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:26,339
and camp chesterfield

1337
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:27,690
tim that's one out of your neighborhood

1338
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:29,910
yes camp chesterfield that's correct

1339
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:34,559
okay that has I I do believe now I I may

1340
01:03:40,339 --> 01:03:36,809
be wrong but there's a magazine we

1341
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:40,349
advertise in it very well produced

1342
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,690
publication very very glossy you can get

1343
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:45,119
into Barnes & Noble here across a coke

1344
01:03:49,579 --> 01:03:45,780
news

1345
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,589
it's from England and it comes out

1346
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:52,079
monthly and it's got some great articles

1347
01:03:57,620 --> 01:03:55,530
in it they've been around for like 80

1348
01:04:00,079 --> 01:03:57,630
years or something like that it's kind

1349
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:00,089
of a house organ or was for the the

1350
01:04:05,539 --> 01:04:03,569
spiritualist movement but they now have

1351
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,549
articles on the you know Bigfoot in

1352
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:08,160
cryptozoology and UFOs and they got to

1353
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:11,849
get with the the times - you know but

1354
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,250
they have had a couple of articles in

1355
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:16,559
the last few months about some of the

1356
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:19,500
the relics that have been located that

1357
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:24,210
were in the original Fox sister home or

1358
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:26,010
dwelling you know with a the doxa

1359
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:28,980
started somebody found the Fox sister

1360
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:31,440
kettle and a kettle tea kettle

1361
01:04:34,819 --> 01:04:33,569
there you go tea kettle I bet you would

1362
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:34,829
like to have that in your collection

1363
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:37,260
the Fox sister tea kettle and it's now

1364
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,619
on display at one of the spiritualist

1365
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:42,960
museums I believe can't Chesterfield

1366
01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:44,579
than there yeah that would be amazing

1367
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,359
yeah yeah well I'm sure it's well you

1368
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:51,359
know guarded there in fact they recreate

1369
01:04:56,450 --> 01:04:54,210
it they were tearing down their house

1370
01:04:59,809 --> 01:04:56,460
the house where the Fox sisters live and

1371
01:05:02,900 --> 01:04:59,819
they took the the building and material

1372
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:02,910
and and recreated it in it camp

1373
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:04,500
Chesterfield so you could actually walk

1374
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:07,140
through the Fox sisters home

1375
01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:08,700
that's really good perhaps you know per

1376
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:10,830
hat perhaps if you put your ear to the

1377
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:13,020
wall tip you might hear some cracking of

1378
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:22,470
knuckles or toes I think I would have

1379
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:31,500
liked to go out with those girls we all

1380
01:05:39,050 --> 01:05:35,460
like toes you would you'll find this

1381
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:39,060
interesting because I I know that this

1382
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:42,390
this is a favorite character for you but

1383
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:47,430
on Melissa's website there was they had

1384
01:05:57,110 --> 01:05:51,930
in in December she they had the Los

1385
01:06:01,160 --> 01:05:57,120
Angeles grumpus ball where she has tea

1386
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:01,170
cups and settings with crumpets images

1387
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:04,500
on it one plate says cookies for Krampus

1388
01:06:13,850 --> 01:06:08,510
and and I and I know you're a big fan oh

1389
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:13,860
well you know Joshua Joshua of Warren

1390
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:17,010
got me into Krampus I was a guest on his

1391
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:20,070
show speaking of strange and he was

1392
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:23,670
telling about the dolor of Krampus which

1393
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:25,650
I had never heard of because basically I

1394
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:30,720
guess it started what in in Iceland kami

1395
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:33,090
in tradition so Germany the Czech

1396
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:36,090
Republic I believe also so yes yes I and

1397
01:06:42,380 --> 01:06:38,610
I found that a crumpet was much more

1398
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,390
revered or perhaps that that's not the

1399
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:44,460
right word that people were frightened

1400
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:47,130
of him if you believe the the the

1401
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:49,140
stories but I think about Christmas week

1402
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:52,290
if there are noisy and unruly children

1403
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:53,820
in the neighborhood you should make

1404
01:06:59,620 --> 01:06:56,700
friends with him and in fact we do have

1405
01:07:03,170 --> 01:06:59,630
a show or two that we if you will go to

1406
01:07:06,290 --> 01:07:03,180
youtube and mr. UFO secret files and

1407
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:06,300
type in crumpets I think you'll find a

1408
01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:07,830
couple of shows that we've done which I

1409
01:07:15,350 --> 01:07:10,670
always go back and listen to around the

1410
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:15,360
holiday is I cracked my not the booty

1411
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,400
called chestnuts and one of them they

1412
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:20,400
are HS that's yes well you know if you

1413
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:20,820
if

1414
01:07:27,830 --> 01:07:25,530
you go and look at some of the old cards

1415
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:27,840
especially from you know like the 19th

1416
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:31,440
century that that features crumpets and

1417
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:33,900
and I'm sure that this this would be you

1418
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,670
know if you've seen these Melissa I'm

1419
01:07:39,290 --> 01:07:37,260
sure you have you know they must be a

1420
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:39,300
delight to you because they are to me

1421
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:42,300
where you there's you know there's

1422
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:44,340
they're like holiday greeting cards yet

1423
01:07:52,070 --> 01:07:47,310
they have crumpets basically torturing

1424
01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:52,080
crying children you know beating them

1425
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:56,280
with you like bird sticks and yeah oh my

1426
01:08:02,300 --> 01:07:58,850
god they're they're they're wonderful

1427
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:02,310
well many countries in Europe have a

1428
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:06,570
tradition of the you know the helper in

1429
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,730
quotes to Santa who goes around and

1430
01:08:12,830 --> 01:08:10,260
punishes bad children and we don't

1431
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:12,840
really have that here in the US we well

1432
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:16,010
it well it keeps I guess it keeps down

1433
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:18,810
st. Nicholas's cost a little bit you

1434
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:20,460
know if you gather you don't that way

1435
01:08:24,890 --> 01:08:21,900
you don't have to give a gifts to all

1436
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:24,900
the kids you know yeah and Caprice Allah

1437
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,500
pre-select and get get give a lumps a

1438
01:08:32,599 --> 01:08:29,940
call I don't know about lumps of coal

1439
01:08:35,420 --> 01:08:32,609
dough today they might be a little bit

1440
01:08:40,579 --> 01:08:35,430
harder to they get you got to go to the

1441
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:40,589
White House maybe in fines up that that

1442
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:52,370
bringing cold that's that's really how I

1443
01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:54,210
got a heart I got a hard time breathing

1444
01:09:01,400 --> 01:08:59,609
as it is yeah you always want three or

1445
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,410
four they hand down three or four

1446
01:09:04,820 --> 01:09:03,480
families you know with that people in

1447
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:04,830
your family with black lung disease or

1448
01:09:10,790 --> 01:09:09,210
something like that well what was you

1449
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,800
know another thing interesting about you

1450
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:12,960
know a lot of these Krampus cards is

1451
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:16,620
that I mean they continued on into well

1452
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:20,190
into the 1960s I don't know had you ever

1453
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:22,650
see any of those Melissa I mean they

1454
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:26,970
they turned from beating children or

1455
01:09:31,929 --> 01:09:29,910
stuffing them into a bag to take to take

1456
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:31,939
to be you know tortured eaten

1457
01:09:39,969 --> 01:09:35,630
- almost like playboy cartoon type of

1458
01:09:42,759 --> 01:09:39,979
situation tastic he became sort of you

1459
01:09:45,099 --> 01:09:42,769
know the devil or the devil on your

1460
01:09:47,649 --> 01:09:45,109
shoulder the bad guy and flirting with

1461
01:09:52,509 --> 01:09:47,659
him was definitely definitely not

1462
01:09:54,129 --> 01:09:52,519
forbidden thing for sure but yeah like I

1463
01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:54,139
was saying we there isn't really a

1464
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:55,820
tradition of that so much in the United

1465
01:10:01,120 --> 01:09:58,489
States and so I'm really happy to see

1466
01:10:03,009 --> 01:10:01,130
the resurgence of that tradition and

1467
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:03,019
people embracing it here in the US it's

1468
01:10:13,029 --> 01:10:07,280
fun we do it we're doing our best to

1469
01:10:14,919 --> 01:10:13,039
make crumpets one of the gang great yeah

1470
01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:14,929
well yeah I mean it's like you say

1471
01:10:22,209 --> 01:10:17,229
Melissa can you imagine though I mean

1472
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:22,219
starting cards with crumpets images on

1473
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:24,380
it you know if here in the u.s. I'd love

1474
01:10:27,879 --> 01:10:24,650
that

1475
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:27,889
oh well we we have our own little set of

1476
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,289
plates and cups that we do with cookies

1477
01:10:34,929 --> 01:10:32,719
for Krampus on them and we they're quite

1478
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:34,939
popular at the Krampus ball in December

1479
01:10:42,909 --> 01:10:37,550
each year and we usually issued where's

1480
01:10:47,649 --> 01:10:42,919
the ball the ball is down it's the the

1481
01:10:49,959 --> 01:10:47,659
German beer garden in here it's near

1482
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:49,969
Long Beach all right I'm gonna have to

1483
01:10:54,069 --> 01:10:51,289
interrupt you here because we have to go

1484
01:10:55,899 --> 01:10:54,079
to our bottom of the break so we will be

1485
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:55,909
back in just a few minutes on exploring

1486
01:11:06,040 --> 01:10:57,250
the design

1487
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,190
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1488
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:12,780
two of the most electrifying researchers

1489
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:15,780
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1490
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:20,880
Rebecca Lee panting sports welcome back

1491
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:23,430
to exploring the design here we are at

1492
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:25,890
the bottom of the hour less than a half

1493
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:28,860
hour to go so Sheila I wanted to ask you

1494
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:32,490
about your novel the spirit within why

1495
01:11:36,860 --> 01:11:34,290
don't you tell tell us a little bit

1496
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:36,870
about it and you know what was your

1497
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:40,050
inspiration for it oh my inspiration it

1498
01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:43,920
is a fictional story of course and so I

1499
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:48,180
wanted it to be realistic to you know to

1500
01:11:52,940 --> 01:11:51,330
people because I wanted people to have

1501
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:52,950
real to relate with it you know like

1502
01:11:58,220 --> 01:11:55,050
your everyday type story but with a

1503
01:12:02,000 --> 01:11:58,230
supernatural twist let me actually read

1504
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:02,010
to you the description could is it's the

1505
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:04,170
one that's on Amazon if anyone wants to

1506
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,360
find my novel the spirit within it is

1507
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,640
available on Amazon you know it's in

1508
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:10,860
Kindle format or you can get the

1509
01:12:16,580 --> 01:12:13,560
paperback and the description on Amazon

1510
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,590
simply says Cassandra Blakemore seems to

1511
01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:18,480
have the life every girl her age what

1512
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:21,470
college q boyfriend cool friends loving

1513
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:24,510
relationships except that cute mechanic

1514
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:26,190
and live-in lover Rawley Nicholls is

1515
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:28,530
sinking into the bottle and hitting her

1516
01:12:33,230 --> 01:12:30,570
catchy isn't going to take it of course

1517
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:33,240
this all too familiar story comes with a

1518
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:34,920
supernatural twist that will delight

1519
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:37,470
every reader and then currently slowly

1520
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:39,270
but surely working on the sequel to it

1521
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:40,560
right now as we speak I'm halfway

1522
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:43,260
through with it but I wanted my story to

1523
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:46,140
be a realistic based one because

1524
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:49,590
unfortunately abusive relationships do

1525
01:12:56,660 --> 01:12:54,210
exist and but this story is a story of

1526
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:56,670
empowerment of the main character

1527
01:13:02,060 --> 01:12:58,980
Cassandra Blakemore also known as Cassie

1528
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:02,070
she finds her inner strength her ability

1529
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:05,010
to finally face the challenges head-on

1530
01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:08,760
and to you know overcome the adversity

1531
01:13:14,260 --> 01:13:11,550
and of course their challenges along the

1532
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:14,270
way and all the while she's discovering

1533
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:17,490
telekinesis premonitions and other

1534
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:19,080
things like that and

1535
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,260
you know as a story you know even goes

1536
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:24,000
further there's even more of a

1537
01:13:28,730 --> 01:13:27,360
background to where she initially came

1538
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:28,740
from I don't want to give you know like

1539
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,450
spoiler alerts or anything like that but

1540
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,880
in the sequel that I'm working on

1541
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:35,280
actually delves even more into her

1542
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:38,510
storyline and even further back into her

1543
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,330
why she has abilities and you know I

1544
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:45,000
mean if you go into Amazon I got some

1545
01:13:48,740 --> 01:13:46,860
really amazing five-star reviews and

1546
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:48,750
everything so I you know I recommend

1547
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:51,270
everyone to check that out so I mean

1548
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,490
it's a fun story to write and you know

1549
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:55,440
any writer who is truly passionate about

1550
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,930
what they do they really delve into it

1551
01:14:03,560 --> 01:13:59,820
so there are some parts in the book

1552
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:03,570
where I was all you know jumping up and

1553
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:05,340
down with you know cheers and then there

1554
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:06,750
were other moments where I was actually

1555
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:09,390
full of tears because you know a writer

1556
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,090
really gets into and that was me full

1557
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:14,400
force and so this next book it's even

1558
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,910
more involved so you know I'll keep

1559
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:19,920
everyone posted you know like I said

1560
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:21,390
earlier about my website you know going

1561
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:22,920
to my website now you know for all the

1562
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:24,720
updates and everything so definitely do

1563
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,300
that now when I was doing more

1564
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:31,920
freelancing than I am now because it's

1565
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:34,530
hardly that much freelancing to do I was

1566
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:37,110
writing for various syndicates

1567
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:40,140
international syndicates and lots of

1568
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:43,890
different magazines and I knew almost

1569
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:47,190
everybody in the lower end of publishing

1570
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:50,340
I was not up there with Harper & row I

1571
01:14:58,820 --> 01:14:55,760
was just down there with ROH but he we I

1572
01:15:01,580 --> 01:14:58,830
noticed when okay the big drugstore

1573
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:01,590
chain here in New York was or probably

1574
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:05,190
still is a Duane Reade and if you went

1575
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:08,460
down to the basement there must have

1576
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,900
been thousands of paperback books do any

1577
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:15,120
of us remember what paperback books are

1578
01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:18,870
mmm they they used to go for 75 cents a

1579
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:22,200
dollar then they went up to 295 and 395

1580
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:24,810
but there were racks and racks and racks

1581
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:28,620
of paperback books and I would say that

1582
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:31,470
three-quarters of them were romance

1583
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:32,970
novels of the

1584
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:36,870
candle light series and silhouette and I

1585
01:15:43,310 --> 01:15:40,050
don't remember those were the two big

1586
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:43,320
ones would you say well I don't think

1587
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,510
that any genre is as big as something

1588
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:47,880
like that would have been at the time

1589
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:50,130
because they were pumping out you know

1590
01:15:54,230 --> 01:15:51,810
thousands of books where today you've

1591
01:15:58,340 --> 01:15:54,240
got a heck of a lot of competition on

1592
01:16:03,440 --> 01:15:58,350
the you know Amazon would you say that

1593
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:03,450
there is a good interest a large

1594
01:16:07,930 --> 01:16:05,610
interest in what would you what would

1595
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:07,940
you call your books gothic novels are

1596
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:10,560
well the spirit within is actually

1597
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:12,390
classified as a paranormal romance

1598
01:16:20,980 --> 01:16:17,070
because there is there's a love triangle

1599
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:20,990
within the story and so she's actually

1600
01:16:25,130 --> 01:16:23,820
she's faced with two loves and she's

1601
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:25,140
having to choose between like I said

1602
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:26,550
trying not to give it out you know any

1603
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:29,370
like spoiler alert but with a

1604
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:31,770
supernatural twist and because there is

1605
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:36,090
you know she discovers telekinesis she

1606
01:16:40,730 --> 01:16:38,520
discovers you know premonitions and you

1607
01:16:42,110 --> 01:16:40,740
know levitation and things like that so

1608
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:42,120
that's what makes it hat you know a

1609
01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:45,270
little bit of both worlds so but but but

1610
01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:47,720
what would you say there that the genre

1611
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:51,390
is is fairly large for that kind of book

1612
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:54,930
oh yes absolutely because you know being

1613
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:58,080
a writer and everything I see that so

1614
01:17:02,150 --> 01:17:00,060
much with my writing and everything you

1615
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:02,160
know as I research because you know

1616
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:04,050
that's you know what you do you know

1617
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,250
when you're writing and everything you

1618
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:06,960
just you want to constantly you know

1619
01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:08,700
broaden your horizon and everything and

1620
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:11,430
the paranormal romance genre it really

1621
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:12,810
is large right now I mean it's got a

1622
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:14,130
huge following with so many different

1623
01:17:18,170 --> 01:17:16,380
amazing you know writers out there and

1624
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:18,180
like you were saying the competition is

1625
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:20,490
out there not only do you have all of

1626
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:22,890
these amazing publishing companies but

1627
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:25,010
you also have the spectrum

1628
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:27,750
self-publishing oh yeah it makes it even

1629
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:30,540
more challenging it's kind of hard to

1630
01:17:34,970 --> 01:17:32,930
tell the difference today I would say

1631
01:17:38,270 --> 01:17:34,980
self-publishing you this if you got one

1632
01:17:40,820 --> 01:17:38,280
or two books if you got three or four or

1633
01:17:42,980 --> 01:17:40,830
more you're a publisher I mean your

1634
01:17:45,410 --> 01:17:42,990
publisher bad you know whether they you

1635
01:17:46,819 --> 01:17:45,420
know and you know the ii-i've been

1636
01:17:49,509 --> 01:17:46,829
publishing for 50

1637
01:17:51,649 --> 01:17:49,519
something years man in fact I just

1638
01:17:54,259 --> 01:17:51,659
reprinted the first book I ever

1639
01:17:56,179 --> 01:17:54,269
published when I was like 14 or

1640
01:17:58,579 --> 01:17:56,189
something somebody filed a copy I mean

1641
01:18:00,500 --> 01:17:58,589
and and said it to me and I said why

1642
01:18:03,169 --> 01:18:00,510
should I leave this off of my back list

1643
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:03,179
and I put it out and I mainly did it to

1644
01:18:08,409 --> 01:18:04,530
give away to people well I've sold you

1645
01:18:11,379 --> 01:18:08,419
know some copies of it keeps priced real

1646
01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:11,389
low on it and if they want to know what

1647
01:18:18,529 --> 01:18:15,300
Tim was doing at the age of 14 or 15 he

1648
01:18:23,779 --> 01:18:18,539
was doing inside the saucers and a few

1649
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:23,789
other UFO type books but there are there

1650
01:18:28,459 --> 01:18:26,280
are somebody you know a creative people

1651
01:18:30,649 --> 01:18:28,469
and of course the thing is you can't

1652
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:30,659
really you can't really judge a book by

1653
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:34,050
its cover anymore I suspect because the

1654
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:37,050
yeah most of the books are are pretty

1655
01:18:42,619 --> 01:18:40,199
you know colorful and that doesn't

1656
01:18:44,569 --> 01:18:42,629
necessarily mean the writing is is all

1657
01:18:46,429 --> 01:18:44,579
that great but if you're buying I I

1658
01:18:48,829 --> 01:18:46,439
would start out buying the Kindle

1659
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:48,839
edition of a book and if you find that

1660
01:18:52,609 --> 01:18:50,129
you like to ride you then go to the

1661
01:18:54,259 --> 01:18:52,619
credited version except on our books do

1662
01:18:56,629 --> 01:18:54,269
not buy the Kindle version by the

1663
01:18:57,979 --> 01:18:56,639
printed book because it's a more lively

1664
01:19:00,079 --> 01:18:57,989
experience because we have a lot of

1665
01:19:06,459 --> 01:19:00,089
artwork and photos and stuff in there

1666
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:14,839
yes sorry I was on weird yeah I am a

1667
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:18,300
writer I like to write memoir primarily

1668
01:19:25,429 --> 01:19:23,249
though Wow memoir I'm working on a

1669
01:19:28,579 --> 01:19:25,439
memoir about my family and growing up in

1670
01:19:34,129 --> 01:19:28,589
Ohio and our creepy possibly haunted

1671
01:19:36,409 --> 01:19:34,139
house uh-huh and okay but no you're not

1672
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:36,419
a I'm not a fiction person myself I've

1673
01:19:42,109 --> 01:19:38,820
never well some people might say that's

1674
01:19:46,009 --> 01:19:42,119
not true but I've always been a more of

1675
01:19:48,409 --> 01:19:46,019
a researcher in a documentarian and if

1676
01:19:49,909 --> 01:19:48,419
people ask me what I do like in my

1677
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:49,919
apartment of all because all of these

1678
01:19:54,139 --> 01:19:53,249
books I tell them now that I'm an

1679
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:54,149
argument

1680
01:20:00,410 --> 01:19:58,050
archivist mm-hmm that that seems much

1681
01:20:03,919 --> 01:20:00,420
more scholarly yeah

1682
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:03,929
very fancy rather rather than yes

1683
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:09,300
rather than hoarder rather than hoarder

1684
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:12,120
yes but yeah I've got I am sorry the

1685
01:20:15,650 --> 01:20:14,040
only book a larger book collection that

1686
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:15,660
I know I'm outside of being in private

1687
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:18,660
libraries would be Pauline would be Paul

1688
01:20:23,419 --> 01:20:21,510
II knows if you go down to Paul you know

1689
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:23,429
of course he does his own show he's a

1690
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:26,699
guest frequently on this program if you

1691
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:30,590
go down to his basement errors

1692
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,770
subterranean cavern it's it's just it's

1693
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:36,420
loaded with books it kind of curves

1694
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:39,900
around this way and that way and you

1695
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:42,780
could find a back shelf somewhere and

1696
01:20:48,580 --> 01:20:46,170
he's he has more well he lives in New

1697
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:48,590
England of course which has a long

1698
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:51,510
valued history and not just on the

1699
01:20:56,959 --> 01:20:53,489
paranormal but a lot of other subjects

1700
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:56,969
and he has quite a few I guess we would

1701
01:21:04,220 --> 01:20:58,920
call him and there's a word for it but

1702
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:04,230
antique antique books or semi rare books

1703
01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:05,850
so some of them having to do with the

1704
01:21:14,180 --> 01:21:10,140
lore and legends of New England oh

1705
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,190
that's really cool so yeah I also love

1706
01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:16,080
old books when I was a kid my mother

1707
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:18,750
used to buy me boxes and boxes of books

1708
01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:21,690
from garage sales and she she didn't

1709
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:23,219
know what was in those boxes she just

1710
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:25,110
wanted me to read you know that was her

1711
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:27,179
her way of getting me to read lot's of

1712
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:29,090
crazy things and I did I read everything

1713
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:32,910
and so I love a good old book and I wish

1714
01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:34,710
that my entire house was big enough so

1715
01:21:39,530 --> 01:21:37,080
that I could have nothing but that is

1716
01:21:41,180 --> 01:21:39,540
that does get to be that's one thing you

1717
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:41,190
have to say about Kindle you can store I

1718
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:44,370
pretty much unlimited number on your

1719
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:47,190
device but I I have a heart I have a

1720
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:49,380
hard time reading I want to I want to

1721
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:51,570
read the book and I often fall asleep

1722
01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:53,850
with it in my hands but that's part of

1723
01:22:00,050 --> 01:21:57,660
the comfort and joy of having a book you

1724
01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:00,060
know and I sit there and I read now in

1725
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:04,020
my paper bag well I I'm allergic I am

1726
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:08,010
allergic to dust so that that that makes

1727
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:08,850
it kind of hard

1728
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,780
even I have files upon files upon the

1729
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:14,400
you know files of

1730
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:16,830
people sending me their paranormal

1731
01:22:22,189 --> 01:22:20,340
experiences and their UFO encounters and

1732
01:22:25,899 --> 01:22:22,199
stuff and as much as I'd like to go back

1733
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:25,909
and read the older files if I open the

1734
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:28,679
drawers I I start sometimes even

1735
01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:36,290
experience so what what is on your

1736
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:39,150
docket I mean what what do you plan how

1737
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:41,730
do you how are you going to take this in

1738
01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:44,880
the in the future is that a question for

1739
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:48,300
me or for well both both of our guests

1740
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:51,780
but let's start with Melissa since well

1741
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:54,360
I am working on my memoir I'm writing it

1742
01:23:01,100 --> 01:22:57,120
over and over and rewriting in cooking

1743
01:23:02,899 --> 01:23:01,110
it until it's done and I'm hoping to at

1744
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:02,909
some point publish it it's essentially a

1745
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:06,480
story of my crazy collecting / hoarding

1746
01:23:13,370 --> 01:23:09,600
family and their love of antiques and

1747
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,380
the in our Arab background and coming

1748
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,560
over from Lebanon and being bootleggers

1749
01:23:20,919 --> 01:23:18,480
it's it's a hodgepodge of everything

1750
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:20,929
that's happened to me throughout my life

1751
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:28,140
now you say Arab background does the

1752
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:29,850
Arab but countries some of them have a

1753
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:33,300
rich interest in the occult dating back

1754
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:33,900
centuries

1755
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:38,000
I wouldn't know too much about that

1756
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:41,730
unfortunately but you know I have heard

1757
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:45,090
great stories about exorcisms in the

1758
01:23:48,979 --> 01:23:47,370
Middle East but that's as far as my

1759
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,989
knowledge on on that subject

1760
01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:51,480
we've had we've had several gifts out

1761
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:54,659
speaking about the Djinn ah you know

1762
01:24:01,040 --> 01:23:58,530
yeah yeah the Djinn being well some

1763
01:24:04,459 --> 01:24:01,050
people think of them as a is just

1764
01:24:06,350 --> 01:24:04,469
demonic beings but that's not

1765
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:06,360
necessarily true as I understand him

1766
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:10,710
right that the Jim Jim Jim have a kind

1767
01:24:18,830 --> 01:24:15,210
of a a culture of their own kind yet

1768
01:24:21,820 --> 01:24:18,840
gypsies like to gypsies they they wander

1769
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:21,830
and well according have occult lore

1770
01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:24,210
according to the folklore they were they

1771
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:27,030
were created first before us and they

1772
01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:28,320
were created from us

1773
01:24:33,859 --> 01:24:32,070
vocalist louder focus fire and but

1774
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,869
somewhere along the lines they pissed

1775
01:24:38,569 --> 01:24:36,719
God off so they got they got sent to

1776
01:24:40,939 --> 01:24:38,579
like another realm kind of like a

1777
01:24:43,819 --> 01:24:40,949
parallel world almost text us but

1778
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:43,829
they're not they're not demon demonic

1779
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:45,750
you know I mean they there's good ones

1780
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:48,060
and there's bad ones just like just like

1781
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:51,270
us but I guess that they don't have a

1782
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,449
great love for us because they got

1783
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:55,920
kicked out of this world and we're still

1784
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:00,239
here they want to come back and then I

1785
01:25:11,419 --> 01:25:04,800
and then I think of abracadabra and the

1786
01:25:14,839 --> 01:25:11,429
the Aladdin's magical lamp and I've

1787
01:25:18,589 --> 01:25:14,849
always been fascinated with the flying

1788
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:18,599
carpet which I don't quite understand

1789
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:22,770
too much about but I I live on a street

1790
01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:25,110
here in Manhattan well where there used

1791
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:27,420
to be all carpet stores they've all I

1792
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,010
won't say got on a business but they

1793
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:31,920
moved to take you know because we were

1794
01:25:37,609 --> 01:25:34,920
being encroached upon by high-rises and

1795
01:25:41,149 --> 01:25:37,619
hotels but they always used to throw

1796
01:25:41,959 --> 01:25:41,159
these swatches out into the the trash on

1797
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,969
the sidewalk

1798
01:25:47,149 --> 01:25:44,239
I wanted to recover them and sell a

1799
01:25:48,919 --> 01:25:47,159
flying carpet magical kit give you a

1800
01:25:51,140 --> 01:25:48,929
little bottle oil a couple of stones

1801
01:25:53,419 --> 01:25:51,150
because I've certainly had the swatches

1802
01:25:54,919 --> 01:25:53,429
and they most of them were Arabs that

1803
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:54,929
were selling the rugs you know so I

1804
01:26:01,760 --> 01:25:57,630
don't think that that but my my staff

1805
01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:01,770
here said that no it I shouldn't do that

1806
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:08,040
it sounded too too much like a come on

1807
01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:09,719
or a hoax or something like that but now

1808
01:26:13,939 --> 01:26:11,820
I don't I don't see I don't know we need

1809
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:13,949
to do some of we did a book at Tim that

1810
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,290
the wing to wing creatures weird winged

1811
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,360
creatures and we had we did have a

1812
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:23,280
couple of stories that even a photograph

1813
01:26:30,979 --> 01:26:25,710
from there of a flying horse which right

1814
01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:30,989
so no well I don't know maybe I didn't I

1815
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:36,750
didn't Google for that every other cave

1816
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:40,050
other kind of mysterious flying thingy

1817
01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:41,760
but nope no flying carpet

1818
01:26:45,980 --> 01:26:43,230
we'll have to conclude that one day

1819
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:45,990
they're an expert well we can do just a

1820
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:48,060
book on well I actually always didn't

1821
01:26:52,940 --> 01:26:50,250
want to do a book Maria well Maria

1822
01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:52,950
d'andrea who of course is works with us

1823
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:55,950
closely she did a book recently which is

1824
01:27:02,060 --> 01:26:58,620
using the power of the gin and the magic

1825
01:27:04,670 --> 01:27:02,070
Aladdin's lamp which is very popular

1826
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:04,680
because we do have a Aladdin's lamp that

1827
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:07,050
we sell with incense and oil and stuff

1828
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,330
along that along that lie but okay so

1829
01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:14,400
we're getting I guess pretty close up

1830
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:17,220
here on the end yeah yeah yeah before

1831
01:27:23,210 --> 01:27:19,650
I'm going to ask Sheila before we run

1832
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:23,220
out of time now you know with your with

1833
01:27:29,810 --> 01:27:28,080
your book now did you follow with you

1834
01:27:31,670 --> 01:27:29,820
know because you have supernatural

1835
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:31,680
paranormal elements in your book I mean

1836
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:34,950
did you stay true to reality you know

1837
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:35,940
whatever that may be

1838
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:38,280
you know in in your book because I've

1839
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:40,890
read a lot of books along you know these

1840
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:43,290
lines you know fictional and they just

1841
01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:44,850
really a lot of times they just they

1842
01:27:49,060 --> 01:27:46,590
they they really get outrageous they

1843
01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:49,070
really get crazy so I always appreciate

1844
01:27:55,580 --> 01:27:52,200
reading a book where the author is

1845
01:27:59,090 --> 01:27:55,590
obviously familiar with actual you know

1846
01:28:01,550 --> 01:27:59,100
paranormal events and and and things

1847
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:01,560
like that I mean did you you follow that

1848
01:28:07,130 --> 01:28:05,280
reality within your book to an extent

1849
01:28:10,210 --> 01:28:07,140
with this one yes I did

1850
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:10,220
now with this next one it is going to be

1851
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,080
more intense and more in-depth with

1852
01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:15,120
these supernatural abilities and things

1853
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:16,710
I thought with a sequel but with the

1854
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:19,110
first one with the spirit within it was

1855
01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:24,930
more low-key as far as you know like you

1856
01:28:28,850 --> 01:28:26,190
know if it was a movie there would be

1857
01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:28,860
like explosive like supernatural effects

1858
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:30,120
or anything like that it would be more

1859
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:31,860
realistic like what you were talking

1860
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:34,650
about and more you know natural type

1861
01:28:39,260 --> 01:28:37,710
things so I tried to keep it as real to

1862
01:28:41,150 --> 01:28:39,270
an extent as I possibly could because

1863
01:28:44,750 --> 01:28:41,160
again I wanted it to be something that

1864
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,760
you know the reader when they read it

1865
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:46,080
they're like oh wow that could have

1866
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:47,520
happened to me or you know because I

1867
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,890
have heard of stories like that to you

1868
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:51,840
know happen to other people so you know

1869
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:55,620
I mean I just try to keep it as you know

1870
01:28:59,780 --> 01:28:57,060
that was pretty interesting as I could

1871
01:29:01,250 --> 01:28:59,790
without going to outlandish and without

1872
01:29:02,540 --> 01:29:01,260
making it you know I didn't want to go

1873
01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:02,550
it down too much because I didn't want

1874
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:04,020
it to be boring or anything of course

1875
01:29:07,670 --> 01:29:05,520
but you know I try to keep it as real as

1876
01:29:09,170 --> 01:29:07,680
I could with with a supernatural twist

1877
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:09,180
that would you know keep people you know

1878
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:10,710
interested in as well because that's how

1879
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:12,060
people tell me they're like wow I can't

1880
01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:13,530
put that down you know I read it in the

1881
01:29:16,730 --> 01:29:15,000
you know the course of a weekend I was

1882
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:16,740
like wow thank you so I really

1883
01:29:20,630 --> 01:29:19,260
appreciate that and everything so you

1884
01:29:22,190 --> 01:29:20,640
know I mean like I said you know there's

1885
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,200
levitation and that there's telekinesis

1886
01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:23,760
there there's premonitions and things

1887
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,860
like that so yeah well I and I had had

1888
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:30,960
the things some of the things that you

1889
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,210
put in this book I mean had you had

1890
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:35,360
personal experiences along those lines

1891
01:29:41,150 --> 01:29:38,580
um telekinesis I've never experienced

1892
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,160
that the ability to do things with my

1893
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:42,480
mind like that I think that would be

1894
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:44,760
pretty awesome because I mean if you're

1895
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:45,930
sitting there on the couch do you want

1896
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:46,980
the remote control to come into your

1897
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:49,410
hand I would love to have that but as

1898
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:51,090
far as premonitions go yeah I've had

1899
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,800
premonitions in the form of dreams and

1900
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:56,880
people like you know they would ask me

1901
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:58,110
how can you tell they're not just

1902
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:01,500
regular dreams because me having a

1903
01:30:05,570 --> 01:30:03,690
premonition is far different than having

1904
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:05,580
a dream and anyone who who has

1905
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,770
premonitions they can easily you know

1906
01:30:11,060 --> 01:30:09,600
differentiate the two and they know

1907
01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:11,070
exactly what it's like because my

1908
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:12,990
premonitions don't stop until they

1909
01:30:16,820 --> 01:30:15,330
happen to whereas if I have a dream it's

1910
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:16,830
just a dream and that's it it's over

1911
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:20,250
but telekinesis like I said never had

1912
01:30:25,010 --> 01:30:22,290
that levitation of course I've never

1913
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:25,020
been able to do that but if you you know

1914
01:30:28,490 --> 01:30:26,520
do your research and everything there

1915
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:28,500
have been studies to where people have

1916
01:30:33,340 --> 01:30:31,110
done that actual you know scientifically

1917
01:30:36,110 --> 01:30:33,350
proving who knows but there have been

1918
01:30:38,210 --> 01:30:36,120
countless you know reports of people

1919
01:30:40,060 --> 01:30:38,220
doing that so you know I try to keep it

1920
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:40,070
interesting

1921
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:42,840
well and you know it's it's like you

1922
01:30:47,420 --> 01:30:45,810
said there there are people that you

1923
01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:47,430
know throughout history that seemed to

1924
01:30:52,780 --> 01:30:50,190
be almost like haunted people I mean

1925
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:52,790
they they're just constantly surrounded

1926
01:30:57,230 --> 01:30:55,770
by this kind of paranormal activity and

1927
01:31:01,450 --> 01:30:57,240
whether or not it's coming from within

1928
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:01,460
or outside sources it's it's hard to say

1929
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:04,290
right I mean scientifically proven who's

1930
01:31:08,420 --> 01:31:05,970
to say because there have never been

1931
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:08,430
like super you know scientific actual

1932
01:31:10,759 --> 01:31:09,179
account

1933
01:31:12,529 --> 01:31:10,769
you know Putin but as far as the

1934
01:31:14,989 --> 01:31:12,539
countless reports throughout the years

1935
01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:14,999
even centuries and so on and so forth I

1936
01:31:19,549 --> 01:31:17,369
mean in my opinion there's got to be

1937
01:31:22,429 --> 01:31:19,559
some sort of basis for that because how

1938
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:22,439
can you have so many reports from all

1939
01:31:27,799 --> 01:31:25,110
over the world in regards to the same

1940
01:31:29,179 --> 01:31:27,809
thing if it didn't exist if that makes

1941
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:29,189
sense

1942
01:31:34,429 --> 01:31:31,860
all right well Tim it looks like that

1943
01:31:35,029 --> 01:31:34,439
we've got about four minutes left in the

1944
01:31:39,859 --> 01:31:35,039
program

1945
01:31:41,719 --> 01:31:39,869
so yeah you mean the the the clock is

1946
01:31:45,979 --> 01:31:41,729
approaching midnight I always say some

1947
01:31:49,390 --> 01:31:45,989
pumpkin pumpkins yes yes okay I'll have

1948
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:49,400
to do it show like this around the

1949
01:31:57,199 --> 01:31:53,249
Halloween I would I would think but we

1950
01:32:00,049 --> 01:31:57,209
certainly covered a lot of strange and

1951
01:32:02,379 --> 01:32:00,059
bizarre and territory and this evening

1952
01:32:05,959 --> 01:32:02,389
in the course we keep ourselves

1953
01:32:09,739 --> 01:32:05,969
especially busy trying to ward off all

1954
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:09,749
the ghosts and goblins and things that

1955
01:32:16,759 --> 01:32:12,420
go a bumper tonight and I'd turn our

1956
01:32:19,069 --> 01:32:16,769
things to more of a more positive in

1957
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:19,079
nature although I can't really say that

1958
01:32:30,739 --> 01:32:22,380
our next book fits into that category

1959
01:32:35,060 --> 01:32:30,749
because it is called you fo hostilities

1960
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:35,070
and the evil alien agenda ooh that's a

1961
01:32:42,279 --> 01:32:38,639
good haha oh boy lethal encounters with

1962
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:45,679
alter terrestrials exposed not out yet

1963
01:32:53,929 --> 01:32:49,050
but our a graphics department headed by

1964
01:32:57,259 --> 01:32:53,939
a bill Kern is busily working on it into

1965
01:33:00,529 --> 01:32:57,269
the night and it's going to be over 400

1966
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:00,539
pages and I know that the people like to

1967
01:33:08,419 --> 01:33:04,610
see UFOs as sweetness and light and

1968
01:33:11,839 --> 01:33:08,429
space brothers types but it's not all

1969
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:11,849
it's not all of that I mean it's the

1970
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:15,239
airplanes have been brought down out of

1971
01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:18,150
the sky hundreds if not thousands of

1972
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:20,780
people have mysteriously disappeared

1973
01:33:27,460 --> 01:33:23,010
entire

1974
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:27,470
hounds in coastal Brazil have been

1975
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:30,510
pulverized I believe that would be a

1976
01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:34,880
good word by some sort of a strange

1977
01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:38,430
laser type weapons that have injured

1978
01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:43,460
people and we have cases of people being

1979
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:46,910
having encounters with UFOs and having a

1980
01:33:54,260 --> 01:33:50,580
radioactive poisoning yeah after that

1981
01:33:57,260 --> 01:33:54,270
died under very strange circumstances so

1982
01:34:00,710 --> 01:33:57,270
that should be available in just a week

1983
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:00,720
or so UFO hostilities and anything on

1984
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:03,690
your side of the your your side of the

1985
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:07,050
woods there too well uh starting now

1986
01:34:13,700 --> 01:34:11,610
what you mean oh you got to be on Tesla

1987
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:13,710
files on the History Channel yeah

1988
01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:16,410
starting starting tomorrow at 10:00 p.m.

1989
01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:18,870
Eastern Standard Time it's a limited

1990
01:34:24,110 --> 01:34:21,300
series show I have no idea which episode

1991
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:24,120
I'm going to be on so what's them all

1992
01:34:30,260 --> 01:34:26,850
but I want to ask our guest just really

1993
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,270
quick Melissa where can our listeners

1994
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:32,880
find out more about you they can check

1995
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:35,760
out my website which is Miss Havisham's

1996
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:39,690
curiosities calm alright and Sheila how

1997
01:34:47,630 --> 01:34:45,090
about you Sheila Renee Parker calm all

1998
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:47,640
right well great wonderful wonderful

1999
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:51,330
evening of the of the of the bizarre Tim

2000
01:34:58,490 --> 01:34:54,870
and I in fact I feel that all the

2001
01:35:00,410 --> 01:34:58,500
spirits and the ghosts are just walking

2002
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:00,420
out the door for the evening they're

2003
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:03,210
shaking their heads and waving at me as

2004
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:06,930
they disappear into the night and I want

2005
01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:10,800
to thank our producer Tina Carroll our

2006
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:14,550
trusted associate April and Earl that's

2007
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:17,880
the are adopted cat and of course you

2008
01:35:29,050 --> 01:35:20,910
Tim and Brad Steiger blessings to you

2009
01:35:35,290 --> 01:35:31,300
you've been listening to exploring the

2010
01:35:38,530 --> 01:35:35,300
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2011
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:38,540
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2012
01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:41,090
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2013
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:43,460
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2014
01:35:49,570 --> 01:35:46,490
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